I never saw anything that made it look like he didn't get Wonder Woman.
Indeed, everything I saw made it clear it was the studio that didn't get Wonder Woman, not him. Probably less danger of that with a Marvel movie.
Man, just ascend already.
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victor infante - Apr 01, 2010 10:22:23 am PDT #2708 of 5827
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.
DavidS - Apr 01, 2010 2:11:40 pm PDT #2709 of 5827
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."
Indeed, everything I saw made it clear it was the studio that didn't get Wonder Woman, not him.
I didn't get that sense. He got WW because of Buffy = girlpower etc. He wasn't that up on the WW mythos, or history or recent storylines or anything.
I don't doubt that he could've done a credible job with her. But she has been tricky to write for some writers and there isn't quite the rich history of fantastic storylines that you get with Batman or Superman.
§ ita § - Apr 01, 2010 2:14:50 pm PDT #2710 of 5827
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
He wasn't that up on the WW mythos, or history or recent storylines or anything.
Do you have anything to back that up, that would also suggest he's deep in Avengers lore? I just don't see it.
Steph L. - Apr 01, 2010 2:19:49 pm PDT #2711 of 5827
I look more rad than Lutheranism
There was the time, in The Gift, when Xander said "Assemble the Avengers," and...
Yeah. I got nothing.
Tom Scola - Apr 01, 2010 2:20:13 pm PDT #2712 of 5827
Remember that the frontier of the Rebellion is everywhere. And even the smallest act of insurrection pushes our lines forward.
The problem for Joss with Wonder Woman is that she doesn’t have really have any character flaws. She really can’t—she’s supposed to be an icon.
Marvel Universe characters are just generally more nuanced, which is where Joss is more comfortable working.
§ ita § - Apr 01, 2010 2:52:27 pm PDT #2713 of 5827
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
I'm not a huge Captain America fan myself, but what are his flaws? I kinda get the roundness of the rest of the Avengers, but he's even more poster boy than Supes.
Wonder Woman's flaws would really be her culture shock. Which, I guess, would be Cap to a lesser degree.
DavidS - Apr 01, 2010 3:45:21 pm PDT #2714 of 5827
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."
I'm not a huge Captain America fan myself, but what are his flaws?
Powers administered via needle? Also the whole Red Scare Cap of the Fifties.
Matt the Bruins fan - Apr 01, 2010 3:46:30 pm PDT #2715 of 5827
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand
Maybe he's annoying when lecturing everyone that they should be drinking milk instead of whiskey and need to sit up straighter?
§ ita § - Apr 01, 2010 4:01:25 pm PDT #2716 of 5827
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Powers administered via needle? Also the whole Red Scare Cap of the Fifties.
I'm not getting what you mean for those as flaws.
I'm very curious what they do to give him depth. Which is one reason I'm glad they've gone with such a charismatic actor, because there's not much in the short version of the character's history that sucks me in. For me, the Captain America movie is a step on the way to The Avengers which is getting Iron Man onto a team, for RDJ lulz.
DavidS - Apr 01, 2010 6:59:40 pm PDT #2717 of 5827
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."
I'm not getting what you mean for those as flaws.
He's a fascist junkie.