You're not friends. You'll never be friends. You'll be in love till it kills you both.

Spike ,'Sleeper'


Jossverse 1: Emotional Resonance & Rocket Launchers  

TV, movies, web media--this thread is the home for any Joss projects that don't already have their own threads, such as Dr. Horrible.


aurelia - Oct 28, 2009 3:18:51 pm PDT #2281 of 5827
All sorrows can be borne if you put them into a story. Tell me a story.

Because it didn't air.


§ ita § - Oct 28, 2009 3:47:47 pm PDT #2282 of 5827
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Because we err on the side of caution.


Shir - Oct 28, 2009 8:45:38 pm PDT #2283 of 5827
"And that's why God Almighty gave us fire insurance and the public defender".

I cant imagine anyone doing tht to anyone they know, much less care about.

Even Topher can't be that cold.

The presumption was originally based on the fact that he imprinted her to hate his smell (errr, or something like that. It's morning here, can't remember the details), but once I read it I could see it, easily, on the relationship and the way he's responding to her.

Maybe he came to the Dollhouse after her (she was there before him, right?). Maybe he wanted to find a way to make her happy. Maybe he thinks the dolls are mostly happy, and it's a way to use times and Dollhouse resources to understand better her situation (and again, thought it was a cool gig).

I don't know; all I know is that I can see it in their relationship.

There's also a wonderful chance, since it's morning and all, that somewhere in the show Topher mentioned he was an only child or something like that, and the theory is dead wrong. But I think there's something more to their relationship than just doll and imprinter.


§ ita § - Oct 28, 2009 8:48:41 pm PDT #2284 of 5827
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I think that Topher is only recently seeing other people as people like himself. Only just getting peers in value. He's still power tripping like mad, even though he's more pro- doll rights.


Kevin - Oct 28, 2009 10:29:47 pm PDT #2285 of 5827
Never fall in love with somebody you actually love.

I've deleted it, apologies. They should just air that bloody episode anyway, it's awesome.


Nora Deirdre - Nov 01, 2009 10:52:30 am PST #2286 of 5827
I’m responsible for my own happiness? I can’t even be responsible for my own breakfast! (Bojack Horseman)

OK, I just watched the episode. My Victor-love has no bounds. NO BOUNDS. I think the actor playing Topher is doing a fucking hell of a job. I was very impressed. Also, yay for more Boyd. And 100% more BadAss!

the idea now is that she was innocent before, but now she's guilty of something that the Dollhouse can hold over her.

Which of course is a callback to Adelle's statement to Topher that everyone here has made morally questionable choices. She's now one of them. As, now, is Topher (a step up from no morals, I think.)


Shir - Nov 01, 2009 11:03:16 am PST #2287 of 5827
"And that's why God Almighty gave us fire insurance and the public defender".

My Victor-love has no bounds. NO BOUNDS.

Not that I don't agree with said statement with every fiber of my being, but since we're talking on a Minear/Whedon show, I... don't want to get attached.

It's too late, of course, but I really don't want to get attached to characters I lurv. For they know how to twist, stab, shout and leave me with a hole in my heart in the size of Grand Canyon, and for some reason, keep coming back, for you love baby.

I wanna go away, but honey, I just can't stay...

Yeah, I think I should really go to sleep now.


Una - Nov 01, 2009 1:36:22 pm PST #2288 of 5827
when i die, please bake my ashes into a brick and use me to hit fascists.

I'm jinxing myself by saying this "out loud", but I actually feel a bit safer about that with this show because it's really a love for the actor and his mad skillz rather than the character. Not that I don't love Victor.


§ ita § - Nov 01, 2009 2:11:15 pm PST #2289 of 5827
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I... don't want to get attached.

Never mind getting attached to the actor--it's not that likely that Joss or Tim are going to kill the character (they haven't offed anyone painfully yet, have they?) before the show's demise.


Vortex - Nov 01, 2009 2:21:20 pm PST #2290 of 5827
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

They teased us by making us think that they were going to get rid of him when Alpha cut him, but then they brought him back and with him, my hopes. I am cautious, as I refuse to commit fully. It's like dating the bouncer at your favorite bar. You know that you shouldn't; that at anytime, he just might drop you for some twenty something with a short skirt and bare midriff. But, while it lasts, it's goooooooood.