There's some attempt to address it in season two I think, Stephanie - in that Echo is her own personality. She's no longer a child, and all that. It actually becomes a question for me - Paul is so intent on saving Caroline, I wonder if Echo actually WANTS Caroline back now, since she's becoming a person, and if Paul would just imprint her back as Caroline anyway.
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Kevin - Oct 07, 2009 11:40:16 am PDT #2119 of 5827
Never fall in love with somebody you actually love.
le nubian - Oct 07, 2009 11:44:35 am PDT #2120 of 5827
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."
My hard core response is that it doesn't matter what Echo wants. Caroline signed her up and Caroline should get to return.
Polter-Cow - Oct 07, 2009 11:45:38 am PDT #2121 of 5827
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!
I wonder if Echo actually WANTS Caroline back now, since she's becoming a person
Sort of. She's not selling that plight as well as Whiskey. But she's not as much a person as Whiskey yet.
Paul would just imprint her back as Caroline anyway.
Oh, he totally would.
By the way, there's going to be a riot in the Delurking thread if you don't explain about the prime minister.
Kevin - Oct 07, 2009 12:06:06 pm PDT #2122 of 5827
Never fall in love with somebody you actually love.
At what point does Echo get a say, then? When she's more aware? Or never? Shouldn't Claire not get a say and be wiped, then?
ETA: Thanks P-C.
le nubian - Oct 07, 2009 12:13:20 pm PDT #2123 of 5827
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."
I'm not sure why Echo should get a say. Caroline is the legal person. Caroline did not agree to permanently go away.
Kevin - Oct 07, 2009 12:23:22 pm PDT #2124 of 5827
Never fall in love with somebody you actually love.
Either did whoever Whiskey was. But I don't think I'd kill Claire as a person - I like her.
§ ita § - Oct 07, 2009 12:24:58 pm PDT #2125 of 5827
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
But I don't think I'd kill Claire as a person - I like her.
That's hardly the criterion at hand.
Polter-Cow - Oct 07, 2009 12:25:36 pm PDT #2126 of 5827
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!
True, but that doesn't have any bearing on the fact that she's just squatting.
Kevin - Oct 07, 2009 12:27:56 pm PDT #2127 of 5827
Never fall in love with somebody you actually love.
Yeah, but, you know - if I'm Topher and I wipe Claire and put back the original personality and it's Fred, I'd be really upset.
Joking aside, she might be squatting but she exists. Who am I to say she doesn't deserve to?
-t - Oct 07, 2009 12:33:26 pm PDT #2128 of 5827
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration
If Echo can remember all of the people she's been, including Caroline, and synthesize those memories into a whole person that encompasses all of them, that would be the most satisfying for me. Caroline was the original person, yes, but she wouldn't be the Caroline who was recorded, now, even if she hadn't been wiped, etc.
Look at whatshername, who November is now. She's not quite right, is she?
Any spas with suspicious looking chairs?
Going to a spa tomorrow, will be alert to the furniture.