Aaron Sorkin's fans would never get described that same way,

Except by Sorkin himself. (hee)

And I don't think Lowry meant to be specifically insulting to fans. I think he just always sounds insulting to everyone who's not him.

ETA: To me, the interesting question was, is the television landscape changing in ways that will benefit people like Joss or Tim? It used to be, "Oh no! It's a niche show! Doomed! We would need an XX to even keep you on the air next week." They never considered anything beyond the Nielsen number. But maybe that's changing, which could be beneficial to a certain type of content creator.

I'm seeing this [link] tonight. Live Alan Tudyk!

I actually thought it was an interesting article, which is why I linked to it. But, clearly, I didn't read it the way everyone else did.

It was an interesting article, but the tone was so condescending. Not knowing the writer, I just don't know if he's that way about all of his fans.

Kristen, yeah, forgot about the Lyman website episode...my memory wants to call those people Lyman's Lemons, but I don't think that's quite... ETA: It was LemonLyman.com After I watched that, I was kind of like, "Hey...that's my hey."

Except by Sorkin himself.

And everyone who was working at TWoP at the time.

I dunno, maybe it didn't strike me as condescending because I didn't think fans were the target audience. But what Kristen said; the idea that it may now be possible to have a successful career deliberately making cult TV shows is interesting.

TWOP I give a bitch pass to, because it's right there in the name.

Sorkin was totally an ass to his fandom, on multiple occasions on the show and online. I think he'd be more comfortable with the larger, semi-engaged type.

Likely, it is that that makes me extra tetchy about meta humor in shows, especially when it seem to be at the expense of fandom, or implicitly or explicitly saying that all of fandom is like the craxy people.

Well, we are. But he said that like it's a bad thing. And, when your private moments require a legal-defense team? You lose a lot of room to call me crazy. But I'm just old-fashioned like that. (I still love the guy's work and I have an unhealthy fascination with stoner stories, so we'd probably be good, but still.) I loved the Entourage that took place at Comic-Con, but it was still clear that whoever wrote it was geek-adjacent rather than of the tribe. But it was still hilarious because everything about Viking Quest is a fricking riot. VICTORY!!

Ira Glass interviews Joss Whedon: [link]

It's an hour long!

OK, I'm ten minutes into it and already incredibly irritated with the audience. Why do people feel the need to woot or clap at the mention of every proper noun? Dudes, we get it! You're fans! You are familiar with the man's work! An offhand mention of Pylia gets a woot? Sheesh.