I actually thought it was an interesting article, which is why I linked to it. But, clearly, I didn't read it the way everyone else did.
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Kristen - Sep 24, 2009 7:26:33 am PDT #1970 of 5827
Ginger - Sep 24, 2009 7:54:56 am PDT #1971 of 5827
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda
What exactly did geeks and/or Whedonites DO to that writer?
He was the only guy his high school's geeks managed to give a wedgie to.
erikaj - Sep 24, 2009 8:01:55 am PDT #1972 of 5827
Always Anti-fascist!
I think the thesis is interesting, Kristen, ie. If this guy wasn't something of a cottage industry, would his show be on? Interesting question. I thought the tone was insulting...Aaron Sorkin's fans would never get described that same way, but then TWW was a ratings winner for at least all the time that he was on it. The one time Creative Director at HBO once ignited a similar fannish pique when he said in a press conference that he had received letters and telegrams from "all 250 of The Wire's devoted fans,"(I believe that, probably even on the way to his court date, maybe somebody hopped out of the bushes all "250, *this*, motherfucker." Because fans get like that. I'm not exempting myself, either...five years later and I still remember it, after all.) But Simon really *does* intend and aspire to the "anti-show" so if someone wrote that about him, I think it would be more accurate.
Frankenbuddha - Sep 24, 2009 8:20:00 am PDT #1973 of 5827
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"
Interesting question. I thought the tone was insulting...
This. Very much this.
Kristen - Sep 24, 2009 8:54:04 am PDT #1974 of 5827
Aaron Sorkin's fans would never get described that same way,
Except by Sorkin himself. (hee)
And I don't think Lowry meant to be specifically insulting to fans. I think he just always sounds insulting to everyone who's not him.
ETA: To me, the interesting question was, is the television landscape changing in ways that will benefit people like Joss or Tim? It used to be, "Oh no! It's a niche show! Doomed! We would need an XX to even keep you on the air next week." They never considered anything beyond the Nielsen number. But maybe that's changing, which could be beneficial to a certain type of content creator.
Scrappy - Sep 24, 2009 8:59:00 am PDT #1975 of 5827
Life moves pretty fast. You don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it.
I'm seeing this [link] tonight. Live Alan Tudyk!
Vortex - Sep 24, 2009 9:04:45 am PDT #1976 of 5827
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman
I actually thought it was an interesting article, which is why I linked to it. But, clearly, I didn't read it the way everyone else did.
It was an interesting article, but the tone was so condescending. Not knowing the writer, I just don't know if he's that way about all of his fans.
erikaj - Sep 24, 2009 9:19:20 am PDT #1977 of 5827
Always Anti-fascist!
Kristen, yeah, forgot about the Lyman website episode...my memory wants to call those people Lyman's Lemons, but I don't think that's quite... ETA: It was LemonLyman.com After I watched that, I was kind of like, "Hey...that's my hey."
Strega - Sep 24, 2009 9:33:31 am PDT #1978 of 5827
Except by Sorkin himself.
And everyone who was working at TWoP at the time.
I dunno, maybe it didn't strike me as condescending because I didn't think fans were the target audience. But what Kristen said; the idea that it may now be possible to have a successful career deliberately making cult TV shows is interesting.
erikaj - Sep 24, 2009 9:38:35 am PDT #1979 of 5827
Always Anti-fascist!
TWOP I give a bitch pass to, because it's right there in the name.