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'The Message'


Jossverse 1: Emotional Resonance & Rocket Launchers  

TV, movies, web media--this thread is the home for any Joss projects that don't already have their own threads, such as Dr. Horrible.


erikaj - May 25, 2009 7:15:23 pm PDT #1770 of 5827
Always Anti-fascist!

Yeah, cause there aren't enough shallow fucking remakes around with mad product-placement potential. Pass. Make your *own* girly hero movie.


Fay - May 25, 2009 8:15:43 pm PDT #1771 of 5827
"Fuck Western ideologically-motivated gender identification!" Sulu gasped, and came.

That is an abomination. Also, stupid. The show was the fricking reboot, of the really pretty awful movie that they made. And canon has continued through books and comics already. There is nothing fresh and interesting there for them to do. And they already proved, through the simple contrast of their movie and the TV show, that Joss? Kind of integral to the success of that particular concept.

Want to reboot something? Reboot something from the 60s or 70s, or even the 80s. Or wait ten years and THEN try to do your (terrible) Buffy reboot.


Kevin - May 25, 2009 8:34:05 pm PDT #1772 of 5827
Never fall in love with somebody you actually love.

From a business point of view, it's actually better to do it now. Buffy is an international brand, but it will (and is) fall out of the public eye as the years pass.

This whole thing is all about money. I hope Joss and Fox pile in with lawyers.

They tried to reboot the TV series in a similar fashion a few years ago. They did a pitch which included Buffy getting frozen (I'm not making this up) and waking up in the future. All her friends were dead, so no Willow/Xander etc. As it happens Willow/Xander/etc were created specially by Joss and owned by Fox, so it got them around the rights issue. Oddly enough nobody would touch the idea, probably because they'd seen Futurama.


erikaj - May 25, 2009 8:44:22 pm PDT #1773 of 5827
Always Anti-fascist!

God, that is the Medellin of fantasy concepts(although they probably don't have much in common other than the application of mass amounts of cocaine. bad-dum-pum.


Fay - May 26, 2009 5:34:15 am PDT #1774 of 5827
"Fuck Western ideologically-motivated gender identification!" Sulu gasped, and came.

From a business point of view, it's actually better to do it now. Buffy is an international brand, but it will (and is) fall out of the public eye as the years pass.

No, I understand this. I understand that they HAVE the rights to BtVS, and that thus BtVS is what they're thinking of making money from, rather than having to acquire rights to something else.

But I was talking about artistic merit. The various reboots for BSG, Charlie's Angels, Starsky & Hutch, Star Trek et al are more interesting and timely in no small part because they aren't revamping something recent. Because the source texts were pop culture rooted in a very different culture, and so there have been enough changes in the kinds of television made, and in the ideals/values/cultural norms, that the reboots have not been a total waste of time.


Frankenbuddha - May 26, 2009 6:26:43 am PDT #1775 of 5827
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

God, that is the Medellin of fantasy concepts

Hearts erika


erikaj - May 26, 2009 9:31:40 am PDT #1776 of 5827
Always Anti-fascist!

Thank you, thank you. I've been looking to use that comparison for a bit now, but I hadn't found anything horrifying enough quite yet. Think I have now. Woof. ETA: If you don't know what Medellin is, read self-indulgent vanity project that will leave a noxious stain on every career that it touches, however tangentially, and leaves an aroma of Fail strong enough to outpace that fake-butter smell in the movie theater. But the pitch looked okay.

Also, I've got a fandom for you.


Toddson - May 26, 2009 11:08:14 am PDT #1777 of 5827
Friends don't let friends read "Atlas Shrugged"

aurelia - May 26, 2009 11:45:59 am PDT #1778 of 5827
All sorrows can be borne if you put them into a story. Tell me a story.

I liked Ishtar.


erikaj - May 26, 2009 11:58:41 am PDT #1779 of 5827
Always Anti-fascist!

Me too, actually. Actually, I think the insiders just decided to sink that one on purpose.(that might have been a more interesting failure for Vince than having it verifiably reek and get booed out of Cannes, but I'm rambling, as always.) Although it was a little weird and went over budget. Medellin is is probably more like Gigli, without the fucking, although I think I sent off some kind of Slash signal just by typing that, so your mileage may vary.