Okay, um, I'm lost. Uh, I'm angry, and I'm armed, so if you two have something that you need to work out --

Mal ,'War Stories'


Jossverse 1: Emotional Resonance & Rocket Launchers  

TV, movies, web media--this thread is the home for any Joss projects that don't already have their own threads, such as Dr. Horrible.


victor infante - Apr 29, 2009 4:30:36 pm PDT #1466 of 5827
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.

It's about getting your mind back. It's about reclaiming your right to define who you are - your right to be a person.

Which is one of the things I've appreciated about the show. What's occurred to me, over the last couple of episodes, is this is a show that really needs to have a proper ending, to redeem what's happened to the characters. Echo, Victor, Sierra, November and the rest need to be able to get their minds back, and ultimately, that needs to be enacted through Echo. (It is, after all, her show.)

But for the rest of the main characters, it's a fundamentally different journey: It's about, when it all comes down, whether or not they make a stand against the evil they've perpetrated, or whether they remain consumed by it. (Perhaps it's all this pandemic talk these days. I've got Stephen King's "The Stand" on my mind.)

And then there's poor Ballard, who's been set up as the masculine action hero, and who will probably die before the story's resolution. Assuming the show


Typo Boy - Apr 29, 2009 4:57:02 pm PDT #1467 of 5827
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

Yeah this is pretty much a rape based brothel. Don't see how the dollhouse (as presented) could NOT be evil. It could have had a fundamentally different "Molly Millions" style premise where people have their own personality in between assignments and consent to imprints on a case by case basis - with full right to refuse an assignment, though maybe with serious financial penalties for refusing too often. But that would be a different show than (from what I can tell ) was ever contemplated. It was always about consent (at best) being given one time, and then personality erased so there was no chance of withdrawing consent. And from some of the interviews given, it seems like the idea of people like Sierra who were kidnapped into it, who did NOT accept was there from the beginning.

Anyway, in fairness to JOss, I got the impressiont that the dollhouse being "good" was never contemplated. At the beginning it was supposed to be the seamy evil secret underside of an otherwise good corporation. Don't know if that would have been particularly interesting or not. So the dollhouse itself was supposed to always be evil.


Polter-Cow - Apr 29, 2009 5:11:25 pm PDT #1468 of 5827
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

What was that post's last line...in reference to?

The usual misinformation, I presume.


§ ita § - Apr 29, 2009 6:57:33 pm PDT #1469 of 5827
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Better can be a short term thing.

And it can be a bandaid on a severed artery.


dcp - May 01, 2009 4:18:51 pm PDT #1470 of 5827
The more I learn, the more I realize how little I know.

Was "Whiskey" a reference to a Doll?


Morgana - May 01, 2009 4:23:42 pm PDT #1471 of 5827
"I make mistakes, but I am on the side of Good," the Golux said, "by accident and happenchance.” – The 13 Clocks, James Thurber

I just realized that Dollhouse is on right now, yes? And yet I find myself disinclined to change from the Leverage marathon on TNT. Combine that with my sleeping through last week's ep, and I guess that means I've given up on the show through sheer apathy and distaste. I had been following it so I could keep up with this discussion thread, but the show itself just doesn't keep me interested.


dcp - May 01, 2009 4:26:56 pm PDT #1472 of 5827
The more I learn, the more I realize how little I know.

Dunno about the story yet, but Alan Tudyk is fun to watch.

"Medicinal carrots."


Nora Deirdre - May 01, 2009 4:46:51 pm PDT #1473 of 5827
I’m responsible for my own happiness? I can’t even be responsible for my own breakfast! (Bojack Horseman)

Carrots! Medicinal carrots! They were here when I moved in! I'm holding it for a friend!


dcp - May 01, 2009 4:50:17 pm PDT #1474 of 5827
The more I learn, the more I realize how little I know.

Wow.


Matt the Bruins fan - May 01, 2009 4:50:48 pm PDT #1475 of 5827
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Yikes! Not the face! Victor's too pretty to cut up!