If that were true, Joss is even worse at PR than David Simon. Which I thought a physical impossibility. (Simon famously made the decision not to promote the fact that some of the hot guys on "The Wire" didn't always wear a whole lot in favor of using words like "zeitgeist" and calling the American Dream a "Ponzi Scheme". very smart. The way to sell a show continually on the brink of cancellation? NSM.
Dawn: I feel safe with you. Spike: Take that back!
'First Date'
Jossverse 1: Emotional Resonance & Rocket Launchers
TV, movies, web media--this thread is the home for any Joss projects that don't already have their own threads, such as Dr. Horrible.
erikaj - Apr 25, 2009 5:39:09 pm PDT #1382 of 5827
Always Anti-fascist!
le nubian - Apr 25, 2009 5:56:16 pm PDT #1383 of 5827
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."
Laga,
after the massive reset, she's not supposed to poke through anymore.
§ ita § - Apr 25, 2009 8:07:55 pm PDT #1384 of 5827
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
after the massive reset, she's not supposed to poke through anymore.
Is this from the show, or official? Because I thought it was part of the show premise.
Not that I'm bothered either way--good storytelling can still be done, if they're up to it. I'm just surprised that what we were told was the pitch is so soon no longer it.
Then again, it would put pay to the argument that Echo could never break all the way free, because it would violate the stated premise of the show. Makes me wonder what we know about the stated premise, and how much Joss cares what it is.
Polter-Cow - Apr 25, 2009 8:19:36 pm PDT #1385 of 5827
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!
Is this from the show, or official? Because I thought it was part of the show premise.
From the show. After "Needs," Caroline was supposed to have fulfilled her NEED and stop fucking with Echo. But then in the next episode, Echo asked for an imprint, so it's clear she didn't go back to her blank slate.
Laga - Apr 25, 2009 11:13:34 pm PDT #1386 of 5827
You should know I'm a big deal in the Resistance.
Caroline was supposed to have fulfilled her NEED and stop fucking with Echo.
Oh that's right. I had forgotten about that.
le nubian - Apr 26, 2009 4:36:33 am PDT #1387 of 5827
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."
But then in the next episode, Echo asked for an imprint, so it's clear she didn't go back to her blank slate.
yes, that's true. So the current theory is that Caroline is working to protect the Dollhouse.
Viewers probably think that Caroline is working to protect herself since the spy she caught was the one person who tried to kill Caroline in the DH.
Seska (the Watcher-in-Training) - Apr 26, 2009 4:46:30 am PDT #1388 of 5827
"We're all stories, in the end. Just make it a good one, eh?"
So the current theory is that Caroline is working to protect the Dollhouse.
The Dollhouse people seem to be thinking that (see DeWitt's reaction to finding out that Echo was helping them) - but I think we had doubt cast on that with Dominic's "one day you'll be erasing them, and even after all this they still won't see it coming". He's foreshadowed her destruction of the Dollhouse. I'm inclined to follow that clue.
le nubian - Apr 26, 2009 4:53:48 am PDT #1389 of 5827
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."
yes, I should have said "DeWitt's current theory"
sj - Apr 26, 2009 5:32:16 am PDT #1390 of 5827
"There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea."
I like the theory that erika linked too. It's pretty much how I have seen the show. I never got the impression that the show was endorsing the icky, evil things that they were showing. The whole verse of the show is corrupt in one way or another.
Fay - Apr 26, 2009 5:43:54 am PDT #1391 of 5827
"Fuck Western ideologically-motivated gender identification!" Sulu gasped, and came.
Indeed - but a whole show built around the self-congratulatory meta premise that television is shallow, exploitative and tasteless, and that the viewers are too...
Yeah. Still pretty much want to slap someone.