I am not...I am not the damsel in distress. I am not some case. I have to work this. I've lived in a cave for 5 years in a world where they killed my kind like cattle. I am not going to be cut down by some monster flu. I am better than that. What a wonder...how very scared I am.

Fred ,'A Hole in the World'


Jossverse 1: Emotional Resonance & Rocket Launchers  

TV, movies, web media--this thread is the home for any Joss projects that don't already have their own threads, such as Dr. Horrible.


Kevin - Apr 10, 2009 7:21:51 pm PDT #1293 of 5827
Never fall in love with somebody you actually love.

Well, if it's lost in the archive, it might take some finding. The implication of lost is won't be found again.


Hayden - Apr 10, 2009 7:45:17 pm PDT #1294 of 5827
aka "The artist formerly known as Corwood Industries."

I heard "lose," too, which seemed counter to their reason for keeping him alive. I still think DeWitt is the inside person. There's something very fake about her persona. And choosing Boyd, who's expressed numerous problems with the operations and is overly concerned for Echo's welfare, to be Head of Security just smacks of some sort of chess game with unknown opponents.

Anyway, other than the sorta-yuck dominatrix thing (which was only partially about trust and mostly - it seemed to me - about Eliza Dushku's ass, which is a fine thing, mind you, but kinda gross with the exploitation), this was the first episode that I really liked.


Kevin - Apr 10, 2009 8:14:18 pm PDT #1295 of 5827
Never fall in love with somebody you actually love.

This is my favourite episode thus far. Hung together really well.


Typo Boy - Apr 10, 2009 8:18:23 pm PDT #1296 of 5827
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

A thought on where they are going with this. The dollhouse has a larger purpose. And given the way they operate probably an evil purpose. Maybe it is a dysopian totalitarianism where the purpose is to turn the whole world into a giant dollhouse, where identity is fluid. Education mostly via imprint, with a few really talented people eductated from scratch so that new skills get put into the mix. Everyone is obedient and contented. Everyone is happy to live in dorm/spas - smaller ecological imprint. (When the whole world is a dollhouse no need for massive security systems. And I'll bet the spa cuisine turns into dorm food.) Fits in with the name of the corporation. The whole doll creation process has to be improved, the bugs worked out the equipment developed to the point where it can be run by unskilled people. That is why there are only 20 dollhouses. Right now they need to stick to the howerver many can turn a profit by pimping to the super-rich. Once it is perfected then they move to on the next stage and ultimately try to take over the world. And I can see Adelle totally go for this as a good thing. Its a nightmare, but to some it might look like utopia.

Anyway I'll bet that if the series lasts long enough, that it goes somewhere along that line.


Polter-Cow - Apr 10, 2009 8:23:28 pm PDT #1297 of 5827
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

This is my favourite episode thus far. Hung together really well.

I agree. I really liked the episode. Like, as a cool episode of television and not a tolerable episode of a show I had trouble getting into.


Kevin - Apr 10, 2009 8:29:46 pm PDT #1298 of 5827
Never fall in love with somebody you actually love.

Exactly my thoughts. Instead of sitting thinking 'Is Eliza any good in this scene?', I had forgotten it was Eliza for a moment and was tied up in the story of the thing.

Also, Paul is fucking nuts. Which I like.

Everybody in this show is so broken.


Polter-Cow - Apr 10, 2009 8:34:33 pm PDT #1299 of 5827
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

It's so fucked-up!

(Although I remained annoyed by Eliza's presence and attributed the quality of the episode to the focus on everyone else.)


Kevin - Apr 10, 2009 8:37:01 pm PDT #1300 of 5827
Never fall in love with somebody you actually love.

I like to think they've worked out how to tone the thing to Eliza now.

That's me being diplomatic.


Polter-Cow - Apr 10, 2009 8:39:02 pm PDT #1301 of 5827
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

Her voice is starting to annoy me. Because it's always the same, whereas Victor and Sierra always sound different (though Agent Sierra sounded a lot like Taffy).


Kevin - Apr 10, 2009 8:45:54 pm PDT #1302 of 5827
Never fall in love with somebody you actually love.

Yes, let's be less diplomatic - part of the problem with Dollhouse is that they've got really good actors on the show. Which is a high class problem to have, of course. They act Eliza off the screen.