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Sean K - May 24, 2010 9:56:01 am PDT #8450 of 30000
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty

I watched Heat again the other night, which fails the test, even though it features a number of strong female characters whose stories are pivotal in the film. They just don't get any scenes with each other. When Pacino's wife does have dialog with another female character, it's with her daughter about her no good biodad.


Fred Pete - May 24, 2010 9:57:45 am PDT #8451 of 30000
Ann, that's a ferret.

I saw The Unforgiven over the weekend, and it might be a Western that passess the Bechdel test. Although it's easier if "Ma" counts as a name. Rachel and Ma spend quite a bit of time (just the two of them as well as with men joining in the conversation) talking about who Rachel's birth parents are.

I've also started watching Red River. About halfway through, a second woman has yet to show up. And the first woman appears to have died (offscreen) after barely two minutes onscreen.


flea - May 24, 2010 10:00:11 am PDT #8452 of 30000
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iCarly passes! Okay, it is not a movie. Other kiddie shows I have seen too much of: Dinosaur Train mostly fails (is "Mrs Pteranodon" a name?); Electric Company passes; Caillou fails (male POV character; grandma and mom (no names) mostly discuss Caillou); Clifford passes (Emily Elizabeth and Jutta discuss school stuff); Sid the Science Kid passes (teacher Suzy talks to Isabella and Mei about science); Sesame Street - dunno, are there any female puppets besides Abby Cadaby, and does she talk to Maria or anyone ever?; Thomas the Tank Engine fails (one girl train); Avatar passes (Toph and Kitara discuss things besides Aang, I think); Arthur passes (lots of good female characters doing stuff).

What I find depressing about children's TV is that almost all of it has a male main character. Every show I mention above does except iCarly, which is specifically aimed at tween girls.


§ ita § - May 24, 2010 10:02:01 am PDT #8453 of 30000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Rachel and Ma spend quite a bit of time (just the two of them as well as with men joining in the conversation) talking about who Rachel's birth parents are.

Isn't one of her birth parents male?


§ ita § - May 24, 2010 10:05:35 am PDT #8454 of 30000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

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amych - May 24, 2010 10:06:27 am PDT #8455 of 30000
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

Although it's easier if "Ma" counts as a name.

Mattilda Zachary, per imdb


Fred Pete - May 24, 2010 10:09:23 am PDT #8456 of 30000
Ann, that's a ferret.

Isn't one of her birth parents male?

I guess I'm misunderstanding the rule. I was thinking in terms of men as romantic/marriage partners, as opposed to men in any capacity. The conflict in Rachel's parentage involves whether her parents were whites or Indians (Kiowa, to be exact).


Jessica - May 24, 2010 10:21:23 am PDT #8457 of 30000
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

is "Mrs Pteranodon" a name?

I always thought that was weird too. Every other dinosaur they meet is Rhymes-with-species Species. Why don't the Pteranadon parents have names???

(The main problem is that most scenes are Buddy/Tiny/Friend-of-the-week, so even if it's Tiny + Whatshername Velociraptor talking about feathers, Buddy's there too.)

dunno, are there any female puppets besides Abby Cadaby, and does she talk to Maria or anyone ever?

There's the one who likes to dance, but I can't think of a scene between her and Abby that didn't also include Elmo.

I was thinking in terms of men as romantic/marriage partners, as opposed to men in any capacity.

Nope - the point of the test is that the movie has at least one scene not about a man, not just not about a romantic interest.


§ ita § - May 24, 2010 10:22:38 am PDT #8458 of 30000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I was thinking in terms of men as romantic/marriage partners, as opposed to men in any capacity.

It does mean in any capacity, otherwise a lot more movies would pass. However a discussion about her parentage might pass where a discussion about her parents might not.

It may seem a bit draconian, but try and count the conversations men have without any reference to women at all in them--there are tons.


Jessica - May 24, 2010 10:23:16 am PDT #8459 of 30000
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

As far as shows Dylan watches, SuperWhy and Curious George both fail since the main character is male and in every scene.