I concede that the aliens (do they have a more identifying name?) are more intelligent than sharks, but it's all in service of a predator mode. They're not composing sonnets to each other inbetween kills, or working out how to score a non-procreational shag. They're killing/reproducing machines.
Stop that right now! I can hear the smacking!
Giles ,'Never Leave Me'
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§ ita § - Oct 28, 2009 6:42:54 pm PDT #4707 of 30000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Strega - Oct 28, 2009 6:48:22 pm PDT #4708 of 30000
The story Quint tells about WW II and the sharks picking off the sailors is a horror story.
Dude, I totally said that upthread! Also, I have totally had too much beer, and I am going on like 5 hours of sleep, and you can totally tell because I cannot stop saying totally! And also dude!
I turn into a Valley Girl when I'm drunk, and I don't know why. ANYWAY.
I'm just saying Jaws isn't a horror story overall. Quint's story is definitely (i.e. totally) a horror story nested within it. So... er, neener, maybe?
And I'm also reserving the right to sleep A LOT tonight, and sober up and tomorrow claim I don't know what the hell I'm going on about. But right now this distinction makes so much sense in my head (totally!). Even if I'm unable to articulate it.
DavidS - Oct 28, 2009 6:57:48 pm PDT #4709 of 30000
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."
So... er, neener, maybe?
You don't know! You're a drunk valley girl!
Polter-Cow - Oct 28, 2009 7:07:10 pm PDT #4710 of 30000
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!
I turn into a Valley Girl when I'm drunk, and I don't know why. ANYWAY.
You're very entertaining, in any case. (P.S. I'm going to be reading Nextwave soon.)
javachik - Oct 28, 2009 7:10:18 pm PDT #4711 of 30000
Our wings are not tired.
Drunk Strega is totally adorable.
DavidS - Oct 28, 2009 7:12:02 pm PDT #4712 of 30000
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."
Drunk Strega is totally adorable.
Yeah, but nothing's going to beat Ple's Red Bull and Vodka drunken belligerence.
"What the fuck ever!"
Strega - Oct 28, 2009 7:14:32 pm PDT #4713 of 30000
(do they have a more identifying name?)
Xenomorph. I don't know how widely recognized it is, though. If you'd said "Xenomorph" I'd know you meant Alien(s)(^3)(etc.) but it doesn't roll off the tongue and I can't always remember the term myself.
You don't know! You're a drunk valley girl!
I totally am!
But I do get what you're saying. I am just fond of theorizing because, hey, that's fun. Any other day but today I'd probably have said Jaws is a horror movie, because it does use the tropes. The lead-up here made me think about how I'd personally definite horror as a sub-genre. And just like horsies & cowboy hats doesn't automatically make a story into a western, I'd have to say scary man-eating beasts don't inherently make it horror. Which I think is how I got to here.
Man, it'll be fun when I get to reread this tomorrow night and wonder what the hell I'm talking about. If I ask, please assure me that this made sense to me at the time.
DavidS - Oct 28, 2009 7:25:27 pm PDT #4714 of 30000
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."
I am just fond of theorizing because, hey, that's fun.
It totally is!
And just like horsies & cowboy hats doesn't automatically make a story into a western, I'd have to say scary man-eating beasts don't inherently make it horror. Which I think is how I got to here.
Yeah, but check this: Jaws knockoff movies (like, Piranha, and Alligator - both Sayles scripts incidentally) are indisputably horror movies. The fact that Jaws straddles the line between a manly seafaring adventure and horror, does not diminish the fact its influence was entirely in the horror genre.
Typo Boy - Oct 28, 2009 7:28:20 pm PDT #4715 of 30000
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.
I think there is a whole kind of horror that is based on inevitability and unstopability rather than evil. I can't think of examples from movies offhand, but from literature "Incident at Owl Creek Bridge" - definitely horror, definitely based on fate rather than evil. Maybe "Jeeper Creepers"? Ultimately the monster is just carrying out its natural (supernatural?) cycle. Pretty malign though, don't know that I have a strong case there. A lot of the twilight zone was horror rather than pure science fiction or fantasy. And a lot of those horror episodes were irony of fate rather than evil malignant villian.
Strega - Oct 28, 2009 7:30:26 pm PDT #4716 of 30000
Hey, I had to type xenomorph while I was drunk. A couple of times! And y'all don't even know. I'm good at proofreading things to make it look like I'm only kinda drunk. It's a lot like when I was recapping! Um, ahem. But if there was no proofreading I'd be posting faster and also my posts would be like this
ita theey're called xonoxen zin fuck zeno fuckfuck xemo no zeno no X E N O M O R P H
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is what they are
called by people sometimes but;eoplle oh shit poe^b^beople that are like ne pg fuck this noise
So see what you're missing? I know.
(P.S. I'm going to be reading Nextwave soon.)
ZOMG
Do you have the theme song? I can email you the theme song if not. You neeeeeeeeed it. I'm pretty sure Amazon said that "if you like Strega drunkposting, you'll love Warren Ellis writing NextWave."
Edited because I fucked up my own drunken joke. Sigh.