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Sparky1 - Sep 30, 2009 7:57:44 am PDT #4261 of 30000
Librarian Warlord

Do formerly abused children, for example, who grow up to be serial killers or rapists get that factored in? When it comes to their punishment?

Both mitigating and aggravating factors are often introduced at sentencing. (I don't know what the California rules are, specifically.)


Amy - Sep 30, 2009 8:04:21 am PDT #4262 of 30000
Because books.

Both mitigating and aggravating factors are often introduced at sentencing. (I don't know what the California rules are, specifically.)

Okay then. I still don't see how surviving the Holocaust makes raping a child okay, though.


le nubian - Sep 30, 2009 8:06:30 am PDT #4263 of 30000
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

I could see it as a mitigating factor for him running away. Not really for the original crime unless the argument is that his judgment is just fucked up over all.


Jessica - Sep 30, 2009 8:07:26 am PDT #4264 of 30000
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

I don't think it's unreasonable to say that a Holocaust survivor might have a pathologically different view of jailtime than your average man on the street, and that his experiences there, at least in part, were what prompted him to flee the country. It's not an excuse but it is a factor.

(In the flight charges ONLY, not the rape, which is a separate case.)


Fred Pete - Sep 30, 2009 8:11:28 am PDT #4265 of 30000
Ann, that's a ferret.

What Sparky said. The argument I've heard is that he lived so long under arbitrary governments that, when some question came up whether the judge would increase the punishment, he ran because he assumed it was another arbitrary action.

It certainly isn't enough to give him a pass. And not something to make a huge difference in the punishment. But something that, if I were a judge, I'd want to add into the mix.

And yes, it's only on the flight issue. Not the child rape issue. Apologies for not being clearer on that point.


Steph L. - Sep 30, 2009 8:12:27 am PDT #4266 of 30000
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

he ran because he assumed it was another arbitrary action.

Yeah, he should have thought a little bit harder about that before he drugged and anally raped a 13-year-old girl.


Fred Pete - Sep 30, 2009 8:17:02 am PDT #4267 of 30000
Ann, that's a ferret.

Personally, I think he should have thought a little bit harder about the fact that, if Charles Manson hadn't happened along, he'd have had an 8-year-old child of his own when all that happened.


Jessica - Sep 30, 2009 8:17:16 am PDT #4268 of 30000
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

Yeah, he should have thought a little bit harder about that before he drugged and anally raped a 13-year-old girl.

I think I made it pretty clear that I didn't think there were any mitigating factors in the rape charge.

Fleeing the country is a separate crime.


bon bon - Sep 30, 2009 8:22:29 am PDT #4269 of 30000
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

Le nubian points to something I hadn't heard before -- according to Polanski's own lawyers, the judge wanted him to serve just 48 more days. 48! That's the miscarriage of justice his apologists are on about.


tommyrot - Sep 30, 2009 8:24:32 am PDT #4270 of 30000
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

according to Polanski's own lawyers, the judge wanted him to serve just 48 more days. 48!

Wow, I had no idea. And not knowing, I was assuming it was maybe five years or something....