Huh, whereas I thought Gillan was miscast in the role, she really didn't work for me. Concur that both women's parts were under written, though.

I would love to see a movie of Hawkeye and Black Widow meeting--or where it's a big part. It'd have to be a flashback, though, I don't think Marvel's going to do prequels.

I thought Gamora was underwritten but adequately played, though not ZS's strongest work. Thought Gillan was great as Nebula.

I'm with you. Gillan didn't get much to work with, but she did well with what she had.

I like Scar Jo as Black Widow an awful lot. I think Black Widow is my favorite character in the MC right now and plenty of that comes from her. Physicality notwithstanding. I don't really expect remotely accurate physicality from action/comic movies and though I think it is obvious they mostly cast her for the hotness originally, that has nothing to do with my enjoyment of her. Girl can rock an eye roll.

I wasn't crazy about her in IM2, but that might have been because I wasn't crazy about the movie overall. But I really liked her in Avengers and CA:WS.

Oh, yeah, she was totally terrible in IM2. But I blame that on writing and the fact that her only even remotely important scene was entirely action-oriented and many of her non-important scenes were all "Hey, look, this girl is hawt!" Plus the fight choreography in that one action scene was extra-stupid, even in comic book movie terms.

Black Widow brings a lot of the Buffy fun for me. Fight, fight, quip! Punch, smack, eye roll! And it helps that she's been written as actually having the intelligence that her character requires.

I like Scar Jo as the Black Widow. But I'd still like a Captain Marvel movie, because I love the Captain Marvel comics. They got me back into reading comics for the first time since 1992.

I love her in the role, though

I don't really expect remotely accurate physicality from action/comic movies

But you get it from the guys, why shouldn't you ask the same for the women? She fires guns like she's never held one before, they almost have a strobe light over all her changes to stunt doubles--it's clear they don't care as much about her looking badass as they do the men.

Would you think, ooh, she's gonna fuck me up, and her gun form is appalling--it's clear she's sighted neither of them, and then she moves her hands when she fires like if she pushes the bullets will go faster, and her stance is mostly about her ass.

When does Captain America or Hawkeye look mockable by the average Joe? It takes an archery expert to tear Hawkeye apart (and I still think those errors are shameful), but ScarJo just looks like she can only hurt people by refusing to fuck them.

I don't think the average Joe has that as his area of expertise, though. I mean, you do, because you've got training in it, so it throws you out.

I don't (I haven't fired a gun in at least a decade, and the closest I've had to martial arts training is three months of jazz dance, and you can't kill a person with your pinkie when you've got jazz hands), so I don't actually notice it on screen the way I would, say massive errors in horse racing related stuff.

When people touch swords with their bare hands .... so annoying (the oils on your skin will corrode the blade).