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Consuela - Dec 17, 2012 8:40:16 am PST #23184 of 30000
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

My new favorite review of The Hobbit: [link]

So funny.

...Neither have I

Incluing is an SFF term invented by Pamela Dean or Jo Walton (or maybe Mike Ford); it refers to the kind of exposition that deposits information gently into the text, rather than in massive infodumps like prologues written as encyclopedia entries, or whatever.

It gives the reader the opportunity to assimilate the information a little more organically and naturally, and doesn't bring the narrative to a stumbling halt (like, for instance, "The Council of Elrond", which is basically the complete opposite of incluing).


Jessica - Dec 17, 2012 8:57:43 am PST #23185 of 30000
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

I'm disappointed by the lukewarn reviews The Hobbit has been getting, not least of which because I want to see it again and nobody wants to go with me!

[edit: This, however, is totally fair:

"I am so handsome at you right now, Gandalf."]


Polter-Cow - Dec 17, 2012 9:00:19 am PST #23186 of 30000
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

it refers to the kind of exposition that deposits information gently into the text, rather than in massive infodumps like prologues written as encyclopedia entries, or whatever.

Ah! I like that sort of thing.


Consuela - Dec 17, 2012 9:37:24 am PST #23187 of 30000
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

I like that sort of thing.

Me, too! It is more rewarding to the reader, as well, in that she gets to say, "Oh, so that is how that works!" instead of yawning through another two-page essay on the mechanism of magic in this particular universe.

There are some writers, however, who take incluing too far. t Stares meaningfully at Pamela Dean Those writers are prone to inclue plot, which can make the story almost impossible to understand without very close reading and rereading.


Polter-Cow - Dec 17, 2012 9:48:26 am PST #23188 of 30000
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

GRRM does that too. There are huge things I wouldn't have gotten unless people had pointed out the clues to me.


§ ita § - Dec 17, 2012 10:35:08 am PST #23189 of 30000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Here's the short story that became Looper: [link]

And at that length, I don't feel pushed to prod for logistical issues. Go figure.

I cannot decide if I need to see The Hobbit before I go home for vacation or afterwards...frustrating.


P.M. Marc - Dec 17, 2012 11:08:13 am PST #23190 of 30000
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Jessica, I'd totally see it with you! Twice!

also accurate in that review, though

Kili is Legolas.

True. He is also either Merry or Pippin.

He's kind of the dwarf multitool.


P.M. Marc - Dec 17, 2012 11:11:13 am PST #23191 of 30000
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Also, did anyone else keep thinking James Nesbitt was made up to look like Peter Dinklage?

I need to see it again, mostly because I want to, but in part to play BBC Actor Bingo.

(And, of course, to see Beautiful Coward Lee Pace again)


Atropa - Dec 17, 2012 11:34:33 am PST #23192 of 30000
The artist formerly associated with cupcakes.

Plei, do you want me to ping you when we go see it this week? Since I'm working from home all week, we are going to sneak off and catch a matinee or something.

We saw Skyfall last night. That was fun, even if I left the movie kind of surly because of Dame Judy being killed off. But it was fun eye candy, and the Bond girl (no, I don't think I ever knew her character's name) had fantastic lipstick.


Typo Boy - Dec 17, 2012 11:38:09 am PST #23193 of 30000
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

In terms of Judy Dench - I'm hoping she comes back as best Bond villain ever