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flea - Dec 07, 2012 1:40:02 pm PST #23072 of 30000
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From a Hollywood perspective, and having already done very successful adult movies, the choices make sense. But The Hobbit as a book is pitched really young in tone - I'd say it's pitched at about 8 years old. It's funny to read, as an adult, because the plot is pretty objectively scary, but because of the brevity and the voice of the book, it doesn't scare children. It comes off as more gee-whiz adventure.


§ ita § - Dec 07, 2012 1:48:42 pm PST #23073 of 30000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Tolkien was a chatty guy. He must have written down the age he was aiming at when he wrote it, no? Being appropriate for and pitched at don't have to have the same answer.


Tom Scola - Dec 07, 2012 2:00:31 pm PST #23074 of 30000
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Rayner Unwin was the son of publisher Sir Stanley Unwin of the publishing firm George Allen & Unwin.

Young Unwin was a test subject for the firm; his father believed that children were the best judges of what made good children's books. He was paid one shilling for each written report, and in Rayner Unwin's own words, it was "good money in those days". In 1936, at the age of 10, he was asked to review The Hobbit, a book by J.R.R. Tolkien:”

“Bilbo Baggins was a Hobbit who lived in his Hobbit hole and never went for adventures, at last Gandalf the wizard and his Dwarves persuaded him to go. He had a very exiting (sic) time fighting goblins and wargs. At last they get to the lonely mountain; Smaug, the dragon who guards it is killed and after a terrific battle with the goblins he returned home — rich!

This book, with the help of maps, does not need any illustrations it is good and should appeal to all children between the ages of 5 and 9.”


megan walker - Dec 07, 2012 2:33:15 pm PST #23075 of 30000
"What kind of magical sunshine and lollipop world do you live in? Because you need to be medicated."-SFist

The Tolkien Professor (a former colleague), who did a whole podcast lecture series on The Hobbit a few years ago said he was specifically disappointed that they were doing The Hobbit after LotR because they were so different in tone and they would have to darken and change what is so clearly a children's story to make it fit into the LotR framework.


P.M. Marc - Dec 07, 2012 2:38:21 pm PST #23076 of 30000
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

I do not remember how many times I had to sit through the LotR trilogy during Lilly's grade 1 obsession with it.

If she ever finishes The Hobbit (she refuses, because Smaug is her boo), I'm going to have to watch all those over and over again with a small child. I have no parental objections, as my small child found the live-action human violence less terrifying than she finds cartoon violence.

(Up made her run from the theatre in terror. The Winnie the Pooh movie that came out at some point recently, same thing. Helm's Deep? Walk in the park.)


§ ita § - Dec 07, 2012 3:38:56 pm PST #23077 of 30000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Interesting, Tom. What I found said he didn't consider it a children's book (from Wikipedia too), so there might not be agreement.


Atropa - Dec 07, 2012 4:26:20 pm PST #23078 of 30000
The artist formerly associated with cupcakes.

as my small child found the live-action human violence less terrifying than she finds cartoon violence.

This is why she won't watch Nightmare Before Christmas with me, isn't it? Hmmm, maybe she'll be okay with Beetlejuice.


DavidS - Dec 07, 2012 4:38:09 pm PST #23079 of 30000
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Hmmm, maybe she'll be okay with Beetlejuice.

Both of my kids were able to watch Beetlejuice very early, and were only somewhat frightened by the hellish wedding scene at the end.


P.M. Marc - Dec 07, 2012 6:57:53 pm PST #23080 of 30000
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

This is why she won't watch Nightmare Before Christmas with me, isn't it? Hmmm, maybe she'll be okay with Beetlejuice.

Yes, and probably.


le nubian - Dec 08, 2012 4:53:25 pm PST #23081 of 30000
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

Saw this elsewhere and it just made me smile and smile.

"We're making a sequel in Middle Earth. It's going to star Gandalf the Gay. And you'll get to find out who's his favorite dwarf."

---Ian McKellen on The Colbert Report