Yeah...people are craxy.
If the apocalypse comes, beep me.
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SuziQ - Jun 27, 2012 3:45:37 pm PDT #21363 of 30000
Back tattoos of the mother is that you are absolutely right - Ame
Jessica - Jun 27, 2012 3:47:25 pm PDT #21364 of 30000
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset
I think the article is poorly written and leaves itself wide open to exactly this kind of criticism, but it's head and shoulders above the HOW DARE YOU IMPLY I MIGHT BE GAY?!?!?!! homophobia going on in the comments. So...both?
Consuela - Jun 27, 2012 3:49:25 pm PDT #21365 of 30000
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix
What Jessica said. The comments are awful, but the article wasn't awesome.
amych - Jun 27, 2012 3:49:56 pm PDT #21366 of 30000
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?
I WEAR PANTS ON OCCASION AND I TOTALLY LIKE THE PEEN! HOW CAN YOU SUGGEST SUCH A THING! ALSO, I DON'T EVER MAKE ASSUMPTIONS ABOUT ANYONE'S SEXUALITY!
§ ita § - Jun 27, 2012 3:50:07 pm PDT #21367 of 30000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
My interpretation of the fail in the article would be that they draw a lightly shaded line between "likes boys things" and "is attracted to girls". My interpretation of what he described is "we don't know". I'm not sure why he doesn't allow for simply "undefined" and goes instead to "pointedly ambiguous".
I don't think his "five ways" of looking at it are the most important five, or the most plausible five. Or the most interesting five.
Sometimes the answer is "we haven't been told."
Are these questions being raised about Snow White? Would they apply?
Consuela - Jun 27, 2012 3:50:37 pm PDT #21368 of 30000
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix
Heh. I need to remember not to read the comments at the Atlantic except on TNC's blog.
Jessica - Jun 27, 2012 4:04:26 pm PDT #21369 of 30000
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset
Are these questions being raised about Snow White? Would they apply?
Well, Snow White ends up with a dude. Merida's the only Disney princess ever to not be happily heterosexually paired off by the end of the movie. Unfortunately, the article spends too much time on "she wears pants and doesn't have a boyfriend!" and not enough time making an actual point.
§ ita § - Jun 27, 2012 4:20:32 pm PDT #21370 of 30000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
I mean Snow White from Snow White and the Huntsman. I thought I'd read lots of "well, wasn't that nifty" because there's no romance in it. Is that wrong?
Jessica - Jun 27, 2012 4:24:45 pm PDT #21371 of 30000
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset
Oh, I thought this was pretty specifically trying to be about Disney. (And I haven't seen Snow White & The Huntman, so I don't know.)
§ ita § - Jun 27, 2012 4:33:44 pm PDT #21372 of 30000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
The author doesn't make a case that since it's Disney you have to read it as ambiguous (or, well, that's not what I got from it), so I wondered "Well, it might be notable since it's Disney, but do you reach the same conclusions when you examine other movies with a similar lack of definition.
And from what I'd heard, that movie, out at a similar time, might satisfy the criteria.