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§ ita § - Jun 27, 2012 3:50:07 pm PDT #21367 of 30000

Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

My interpretation of the fail in the article would be that they draw a lightly shaded line between "likes boys things" and "is attracted to girls". My interpretation of what he described is "we don't know". I'm not sure why he doesn't allow for simply "undefined" and goes instead to "pointedly ambiguous".

I don't think his "five ways" of looking at it are the most important five, or the most plausible five. Or the most interesting five.

Sometimes the answer is "we haven't been told."

Are these questions being raised about Snow White? Would they apply?

Consuela - Jun 27, 2012 3:50:37 pm PDT #21368 of 30000

We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

Heh. I need to remember not to read the comments at the Atlantic except on TNC's blog.

Jessica - Jun 27, 2012 4:04:26 pm PDT #21369 of 30000

And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

Are these questions being raised about Snow White? Would they apply?

Well, Snow White ends up with a dude. Merida's the only Disney princess ever to not be happily heterosexually paired off by the end of the movie. Unfortunately, the article spends too much time on "she wears pants and doesn't have a boyfriend!" and not enough time making an actual point.

§ ita § - Jun 27, 2012 4:20:32 pm PDT #21370 of 30000

Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I mean Snow White from Snow White and the Huntsman. I thought I'd read lots of "well, wasn't that nifty" because there's no romance in it. Is that wrong?

Jessica - Jun 27, 2012 4:24:45 pm PDT #21371 of 30000

And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

Oh, I thought this was pretty specifically trying to be about Disney. (And I haven't seen Snow White & The Huntman, so I don't know.)

§ ita § - Jun 27, 2012 4:33:44 pm PDT #21372 of 30000

Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

The author doesn't make a case that since it's Disney you have to read it as ambiguous (or, well, that's not what I got from it), so I wondered "Well, it might be notable since it's Disney, but do you reach the same conclusions when you examine other movies with a similar lack of definition.

And from what I'd heard, that movie, out at a similar time, might satisfy the criteria.

Steph L. - Jun 27, 2012 4:59:06 pm PDT #21373 of 30000

this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

I was thrilled that in Snow White and the Huntsman, Snow White didn't end up with either of the dudes. Though I feel like it's implied that she'll end up with Thor. Because duh, he's Thor.

OH MY GOD the second picture done killed me.

ita please start a rope provocateuse site please please please.

Dang, I don't even really think Jeremy Renner is hot, and that picture really gets it done for me.

Jesse - Jun 27, 2012 5:12:38 pm PDT #21374 of 30000

Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

But also because (re: SWatH) True Love's Kiss! I mean, we're still in that story, right?

askye - Jun 27, 2012 5:22:04 pm PDT #21375 of 30000

Thrive to spite them

Jesse, I think (re:SWaTH) that True Love's Kiss could be open for interpretation. I thought what The Huntsman expressed was a true love for Snow White the person, whereas the other Guy was feeling a more idealized love for Snow White of his memories/dreams. Or maybe the Huntman's True Love was for his wife and he was kissing Snow White and that counted. I was really happy when she didn't end up with either of them. The Huntsman never really seemed to be In LOVE with her and the other guy was more IN LOVE with Snow White as a child.

Zenkitty - Jun 27, 2012 5:52:02 pm PDT #21376 of 30000

Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.

ita please start a rope provocateuse site please please please.

yesyesyesplease

Dang, I don't even really think Jeremy Renner is hot, and that picture really gets it done for me.

Renner isn't really my slice of pie, either, but yeah.

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