I always thought Last Action Hero was badly promoted. It wasn't so much an action movie as a move about action movies. The bits in "real" LA were great. "I've just shot a man, does anyone care?" "Shut up down there!"

As has been discussed here in the past, there are not-so-secret Hudson Hawk fans amongst the Buffistae.

I haven't seen the whole thing (something I need to fix one of these days) but I really enjoyed what I did see when I caught it on TV a few years ago.

I always thought Last Action Hero was badly promoted. It wasn't so much an action movie as a move about action movies. The bits in "real" LA were great. "I've just shot a man, does anyone care?" "Shut up down there!"

True. I think a lot of people were expecting another typical Ahnold action flick. Not a send-up of them.

I saw two movies yesterday:

John Carter in the theaters--I'd give it a 7.5/8 out of 10. Fun, visually interesting, awesome characterizations of the Tharks, cute & useful Martian dog, pretty good job by Kitsch in a role without a lot of room. And a great secondary cast full of British actors of note--Ciaran Hinds, Dominic West, Mark Strong, etc. On the down side, long boring establishing sequence that does ultimately pay off but was still boring, and a screenplay that needed a lighter hand and more wit.

Second flick was 50/50, via PPV. That was surprisingly good--funny, occasionally subtle, and not maudlin. Good cast, and a great soundtrack.

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I had to read this three and four times.

As has been discussed here in the past, there are not-so-secret Hudson Hawk fans amongst the Buffistae.

Why don't I own that yet on DVD? I mean, seriously? Oh right, because Pete is a crazy person who didn't like it the one time he saw it. (But he admits that he'd probably like it now if he saw it.)

Unsurprisingly, my Dad LOVES Hudson Hawk.

Full disclosure: I don't really like it, and I certainly am not bothered by a remake. I'll totally go see that. But did you guys *like* it? Did you respect it in the morning, or was there a walk of shame involved?

I wanted the Cronenberg version. I'm reading the same book, ita !, but I knew some history of TR because I read a lot about Cronenberg. I LOVED Robocop, but Total Recall was a film I thought just didn't do its premise any justice apart from the one or two scenes that feel straight out of Cronenberg.

Also - BIG Hudson Hawk fan here.

What relationship do you feel the director/writer was trying to get you to have with the protagonists in a movie like The Hangover? Do you consider this different from the relationship with the protagonists in Bridesmaids? (I hate to pull out two pre-wedding movies, but The Hangover was the first male buddy shenanigans movie I could think of)

To me, The Hangover kept its characters less fully sympathetic, and didn't seem to mind if you laughed at them, as opposed to with them, and there's not supposed to be a turning point for the characters where they stop being asses, as far as I can remember it. So I don't think it's an equivalent to Bridesmaids on that level.

What is the female equivalent to The Hangover? Has it been made? Do you think the American public will buy women being viewed that way?

I don't know about that -- the dentist character stood up to his horrible wife, and decided to start dating the stripper, and we saw Bradley Cooper's relationship with his wife and son, which was a lot sweeter and more mature than you might have expected. Zach Galifinakis's (no idea if I spelled that right) character didn't grow, per se, but his real and earnest desire for friends was finally revealed (as opposed to him being strictly the comic relief fuck-up).

I feel like there used to be more female comedies, way back, that would be closer to the dynamic of The Hangover -- something like one of the Shelley Long/Bette Midler ones?

It looks like there was only one -- Outrageous Fortune. But that and maybe 9 to 5 are examples?

I haven't seen Hangover 2. Have they learnt any life lessons that stick with them into that movie, or do they rewind them to a more mockable state?

As you can see, for me, they didn't change enough that I thought I was supposed to *like* them, but I never thought that was the point. They might be the sort of guys you'd have a beer with and watch the game with, but you wouldn't let them date your sister.

Do you feel that's too harsh a judgement?

I wouldn't let Galifinakis's character anywhere near my sister, mostly because I'm not sure he's entirely stable, but the others? Sure. The dentist character seems like a solid guy when he's not getting shitfaced in Vegas, and even Bradley Cooper's character was pretty charming with his wife and kid.

That said, I didn't The Hangover II, so I'm basing my opinion on the first one only.