Any movie that posits that Charlize Theron is convinced she's losing a battle of looks to Kristen Stewart has to also sell me on it being a critique of the kyriarchy bullshit--a) of the value of looks and b) of the idea that Kristen is ranked above Charlize in any significant statistical sampling of non-Twihards.
I don't give half a hump if you're innocent or not. So where does that put you?
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§ ita § - Mar 09, 2012 5:53:17 pm PST #18653 of 30000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
DavidS - Mar 09, 2012 5:56:37 pm PST #18654 of 30000
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."
of the idea that Kristen is ranked above Charlize in any significant statistical sampling of non-Twihards.
I like Kristen better. And I have nothing against Charlize who not only gamely went wherever Arrested Development wanted her to go (even if it was their worst storyline) and rocked a pixie cut for a couple years. Charlize is just a generic kind of very pretty to me.
§ ita § - Mar 09, 2012 6:00:24 pm PST #18655 of 30000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
I never said everyone. I said a significant statistical sampling. I truly believe Charlize is considered more conventionally or popularly beautiful than Kristen. Your disagreeing doesn't change my position as stated in the quote you cite.
DavidS - Mar 09, 2012 6:04:32 pm PST #18656 of 30000
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."
I said a significant statistical sampling.
I'm giving you a data point.
Amy - Mar 09, 2012 6:06:41 pm PST #18657 of 30000
Because books.
Within the context of the story, it's only important that the queen believes Snow White is more beautiful than she is, and that she considers her a threat. It's also fairy tale logic, so Snow's dark hair, white skin, red lips might be the ultimate in beauty.
Frankenbuddha - Mar 09, 2012 6:08:25 pm PST #18658 of 30000
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"
kyriarchy
The what now?
§ ita § - Mar 09, 2012 6:09:45 pm PST #18659 of 30000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
it's only important that the queen believes Snow White is more beautiful than she is
I don't think so. Traditionally, Snow White has been prettier to the audience than the Evil Queen, hasn't she?
I'm giving you a data point.
I continue to accept that you exist.
§ ita § - Mar 09, 2012 6:11:09 pm PST #18660 of 30000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Kyriarchy is a neologism coined by Elisabeth Schüssler Fiorenza to describe interconnected, interacting, and multiplicative systems of domination and submission, within which a person oppressed in one context might be privileged in another. It is an intersectional elaboration of the concept of patriarchy — it extends the analysis of oppression beyond traditional feminism to dynamics such as sexism, racism, economic injustice, and other forms of internalized and institutionalized oppression
Amy - Mar 09, 2012 6:14:38 pm PST #18661 of 30000
Because books.
Traditionally, Snow White has been prettier to the audience than the Evil Queen, hasn't she?
In movies, I guess, although the Disney queen was sort of an icy-cold beauty. But it was a story long before it was a movie.
For me, they're both equally attractive in their way, so it doesn't bother me.
sj - Mar 09, 2012 6:16:03 pm PST #18662 of 30000
"There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea."
News flash: the opposite of good is John Carter.
That's too bad. I was hoping that it was good because Michael Chabon wrote the script.