Cordelia ,'Beneath You'
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I agree with Pete about the look of engineering. It took me out of the film the first time I watched it. All the steel beams were riveted together like a bridge. Plus all the water tubes? And the big stainless steel vats? What, were they brewing beer in there?
The second and third times I watched it, I just didn't let it bother me.
See, I think it's because tons of people got killed at Vulcan, pretty much including Kirk's entire graduating class, and whatever senior officers were on those ships.
I still don't buy it, le nubian. World of difference between taking over in the thick of things and being given the senior position above all the other people who have been working towards a promotion.
I know it's something you have to let go of to get the franchise into a semi-familiar shape but could it have seemed just a little less like a bunch of fresh cadets getting all the plum jobs all at once?
Dana, that's a pretty good point. Not 100% convinced but that goes a long way to answer that quibble.
Good point, Dana. Plus they probably had to replace all the lost ships, creating opportunity for advancement for many...
Durring WWII, the US Navy built so many new ships, they were constantly removing skilled people from existing ships and using them as the core of new ship personnel...
I have Trekgasmed. If there are nits, I'll leave them unpicked because OMGSTARTREK! It was beautifully done.
I don't think McCoy's and Uhura's advancement bothered me. He was much older and more experienced than just about everyone around him, and she got a battlefield promotion to Lieutenant/Communications Officer after a mass culling that made Wolfram & Hart's annual reviews look bloodless by comparison. But Kirk got promoted to Captain from the position of stowaway by dint of taking insane daredevil risks and arguing with his commanding officer in a crisis situation until he prompted the latter to have a breakdown, rather than showing that he could be an effective responsible leader. And Scotty was apparently a standup comedian who abandoned the post he was assigned to as punishment on a whim. I can see the latter two getting commendations of valor, but not them being commissioned in their familiar roles immediately .
re: Matt's whitefont--I see Hubby getting into his MST3K mode with this. Good thing we'll probably be seeing this in a dollar movie.
Heh, heh... "Fuck the bosses!" But that's not really how I think about Kirk. I see him as more of a boy scout.
"Jim Kirk was many things, but he was never a Boy Scout."