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erikaj - Nov 17, 2010 5:28:34 am PST #12040 of 30000
"already on the kiss-cam with Karl Marx"-

He does. Really. Who could play "millionaire playboy" better than that?Oh, besides RDJ who is, already.


le nubian - Nov 17, 2010 6:13:38 am PST #12041 of 30000
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

Jessica,

did you really think the book was a narrative mess? I haven't read the book since it came out, but except for the slow part, I thought I liked it a lot.


DavidS - Nov 17, 2010 6:19:05 am PST #12042 of 30000
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

did you really think the book was a narrative mess?

Having listened to the audiobook multiple times I'll just note that Rowling tries to shoehorn in all this wand lore which is both complex and integral to the plot.

Which is on top of the complicated lore of the horcruxes and the Hallows themselves, all of which have tricky little rules that she levers for narrative effect.

I do think she manages to hit the right emotional beats and it's still very engaging. But stopping at the climactic battle to have a bigass exposition about whose wand is The Boss of Them All is less than ideal.

Which is already after the entire chapter where Harry gets killed and Dumbledore explains why he's only Mostly Dead.


le nubian - Nov 17, 2010 6:21:09 am PST #12043 of 30000
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

But stopping at the climactic battle to have a bigass exposition about whose wand is The Boss of Them All is less than ideal.

oh goodness. you are totally right. I put that all out of my head. the wand stuff was really really crazy.


DavidS - Nov 17, 2010 6:23:21 am PST #12044 of 30000
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

It actually reminded me of the climactic scene in Tootsie where they're on live TV and Dustin Hoffman starts making up shit to explain why he's really a man.


Jessica - Nov 17, 2010 6:23:49 am PST #12045 of 30000
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

Yes, for all the reasons Hec points out. Also the 100+ pages of Tent Bickering complete with pop-ins from other characters saying "ZOMG YOU GUYS THERE'S SO MUCH EXCITING STUFF GOING ON OUTSIDE THIS TENT TOO BAD JKR IS GOING TO KEEP YOU HERE ANOTHER 100 PAGES KTHXBYE."


megan walker - Nov 17, 2010 6:24:05 am PST #12046 of 30000
"What kind of magical sunshine and lollipop world do you live in? Because you need to be medicated."-SFist

Yeah, once they stopped having the time to properly edit and translate them (with #5 I think), the overall quality really suffered. I still love the series, but the latter books could have been so much better.


DavidS - Nov 17, 2010 6:46:17 am PST #12047 of 30000
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

"ZOMG YOU GUYS THERE'S SO MUCH EXCITING STUFF GOING ON OUTSIDE THIS TENT TOO BAD JKR IS GOING TO KEEP YOU HERE ANOTHER 100 PAGES KTHXBYE."

Yeah. OTOH, it did create this big fanfic space for people to write about Neville, Ginny and Luna at Hogwarts.

I think I need to use "tent bickering" as a convenient short hand for tedious narrative choices designed to try your patience. I will retroactively apply it to Frodo, Sam and Gollum trekking endlessly through the Marshes.


beekaytee - Nov 17, 2010 6:57:16 am PST #12048 of 30000
Compassionately intolerant

Yes, for all the reasons Hec points out. Also the 100+ pages of Tent Bickering complete with pop-ins from other characters saying "ZOMG YOU GUYS THERE'S SO MUCH EXCITING STUFF GOING ON OUTSIDE THIS TENT TOO BAD JKR IS GOING TO KEEP YOU HERE ANOTHER 100 PAGES KTHXBYE."

Totally this.

There are a handful of awesome moments that, were they appropriately edited, would have fit into 200 or so pages.


le nubian - Nov 17, 2010 7:00:25 am PST #12049 of 30000
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

properly edit and translate them

???

Rowling's books were translated? From English to English?