Can't any one of your damn little Scooby club at least try to remember that I hate you all?

Spike ,'Get It Done'


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tommyrot - Oct 12, 2010 7:09:26 am PDT #11528 of 30000
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

10 things you didn't know about The Empire Strikes Back

Yoda was originally named Buffy. No, really. In George Lucas' earliest outlines for the sequel, Luke meets a supernatural entity named Buffy, or Bunden Debannen. Here's how Lucas described it:

Buffy very old — three or four thousand years. Kiber crystal in sword? Buffy shows Luke? Buffy the guardian. 'Feel not think.'"

And Lucas concludes by saying Luke will become the chosen one, "the human Buffy." In later drafts, he thought of Yoda as a kind of small frog, and Yoda had a full name: Minch Yoda. In the earliest script draft, Minch has the immortal line: "Skywalker. Skywalker. And why do you come to walk my sky, with the sword of a Jedi knight? ... I remember another Skywalker."

If they'd gone with "Buffy", does that mean we'd have had Yoda the Vampire Slayer ?

Luke's journey to becoming a Jedi Knight would have had a lot more bumps. One idea that got tossed around a lot in the early stages of planning ESB was the notion that Luke's light saber had a crystal hidden in the hilt, with secret encrypted information on it — including the coordinates of Minch Yoda's planet. And Luke would have been "humiliated" when he couldn't use the Force to stop an attack by a bunch of ice monsters on the rebel's Hoth base. (With Han telling Luke, "You're not a Jedi knight, and you never will be." Meanwhile, Darth Vader senses that Luke used the force to destroy the Death Star and there's a new wannabe Jedi in town — so Vader uses telepathy to choke Luke in his spacecraft, nearly killing him — except that R2D2 jumps the ship into hyperspace and takes it to Yoda's planet.

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Darth Vader would have had a castle. And it would have been an evil fortress — in some versions, it's surrounded by lava, and full of gargoyles who are Vader's pets.

Awesome!

The Luke-Leia-Han love triangle is a much bigger deal in earlier drafts of the script. It's at the root of Luke's struggles for self respect and his humiliations. When Darth Vader is trying to win Luke over to the Dark Side in the second draft, written by Lucas himself, Vader says, "You're in love with Leia. You don't want to lose her to Han Solo... But you will, if you lack the courage to use the strength that's in you. A strength as great as mine, Luke." And then at the end, Leia flat-out tells Luke that he's not the one she loves, because she's into Han. Also in this version, Han doesn't get frozen in carbonite — instead, he just flies off to take care of business, leaving Luke and Leia watching the Millennium Falcon disappear.


§ ita § - Oct 12, 2010 8:13:31 am PDT #11529 of 30000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Making Hannibal female wouldn't have improved the film one bit, nor made it more feminist. It would have just made it about women more. So I see where complaints come from.


le nubian - Oct 12, 2010 9:37:37 am PDT #11530 of 30000
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

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Eric Stolz as Marty McFly. I had no idea they shot 5 weeks with him in the role. I couldn't picture it before seeing the footage and I can't really picture it after.


SuziQ - Oct 12, 2010 10:21:56 am PDT #11531 of 30000
Back tattoos of the mother is that you are absolutely right - Ame

Didn't have a clue about that le nub. And that footage is just wrong. I don't know if it is because it became such an iconic role for Micheal J Fox or if Eric really was just wrong.


billytea - Oct 12, 2010 10:40:28 am PDT #11532 of 30000
You were a wrong baby who grew up wrong. The wrong kind of wrong. It's better you hear it from a friend.

If they'd gone with "Buffy", does that mean we'd have had Yoda the Vampire Slayer ?

And Spike telling Angel, "You were my sire, man! My Buffy!"


Polter-Cow - Oct 12, 2010 10:42:14 am PDT #11533 of 30000
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

HA!


Juliebird - Oct 12, 2010 12:42:31 pm PDT #11534 of 30000
I am the fly who dreams of the spider

I only just realized why the hotel for Cobb and Mal's anniversary hotel room was trashed. Even after I finally caught and understood the dialogue where Mal said that she had framed him for her murder if he didn't jump with her.


Dana - Oct 12, 2010 12:58:51 pm PDT #11535 of 30000
I haven't trusted science since I saw the film "Flubber."

I do kind of wish Darth Vader had had a lava moat.


Juliebird - Oct 12, 2010 1:08:24 pm PDT #11536 of 30000
I am the fly who dreams of the spider

It seems like Lucas wanted to have a sci-fi Lord of the Rings.


Liese S. - Oct 12, 2010 1:12:14 pm PDT #11537 of 30000
"Faded like the lilac, he thought."

Most things would be better with a lava moat.
 
And I`m glad that Inception came back up, because we had this conversation in meatspace, but I don`t think we did it here. What would you chose as your totem? We have a small set of brass African musicians that I think would work. They`re unexpectedly heavy and they were handmade, so the detail on one would not be recreatable without some quality time with it. Small enough to carry with me, emotionally resonant, and unique. But there`s no action associated with them, like the top or weighted dice. So, hmmm.