Wait, how can Silence of the Lambs not pass the Bechdel test? Clarice and Ardelia discuss the case at length.
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Amy - Oct 12, 2010 6:32:57 am PDT #11518 of 30000
Because books.
§ ita § - Oct 12, 2010 6:36:37 am PDT #11519 of 30000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Clarice and Ardelia discuss the case at length.
The case is a guy, apparently, ergo fail. But this is not my argument, just repeating someone else's.
Amy - Oct 12, 2010 6:46:08 am PDT #11520 of 30000
Because books.
Oh, no, I get that, but that's ... dumb. They're discussing a serial killer, for god's sake, not a date.
Jesse - Oct 12, 2010 6:51:17 am PDT #11521 of 30000
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.
Jessica - Oct 12, 2010 6:54:09 am PDT #11522 of 30000
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset
They're discussing a serial killer, for god's sake, not a date.
Yeah, but the point of the test isn't that women only exist as romantic interests, it's that most of the stories told in movies are about men.
-t - Oct 12, 2010 6:56:31 am PDT #11523 of 30000
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration
The flowchart's premise seems to be that if a character has similarities to other characters it is a two-dimensional character. Those first level decisions across the top all lead to the same outcome, which just seems nonsensical.
Amy - Oct 12, 2010 7:01:25 am PDT #11524 of 30000
Because books.
Yeah, but the point of the test isn't that women only exist as romantic interests, it's that most of the stories told in movies are about men.
Right. But for me, Silence has always been Clarice's coming of age story. The movie is about her, in my eyes.
Jessica - Oct 12, 2010 7:01:49 am PDT #11525 of 30000
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset
The flowchart's premise seems to be that if a character has similarities to other characters it is a two-dimensional character. Those first level decisions across the top all lead to the same outcome, which just seems nonsensical.
This is why the chart is so meaningless - if you can answer "yes" to any question at all about the character, she is not complex enough to count as "strong." Buh??
Calli - Oct 12, 2010 7:02:08 am PDT #11526 of 30000
I must obey the inscrutable exhortations of my soul—Calvin and Hobbs
Yeah, that chart doesn't work for me. Uhura was not useless.
Matt the Bruins fan - Oct 12, 2010 7:06:05 am PDT #11527 of 30000
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand
Bwah! I actually went to see Life as We Know It last night. Surprisingly, having a baby's well-being to consider makes Heigl's ubiquitous bitchy wrinkle-nosed disapproval much easier to take; you at least want Josh Duhamel to stick around and be a good father to their shared kid even if you'd be screaming at him to run for his life in a child-free scenario.
Though if I were Heigl's agent I would be moving heaven and earth to get her cast as a Manic Pixie Girl in her next movie to break typecasting and let the leading man be the uptight unlikable one for a change.
The movie also managed to show believable reasons why the baby wouldn't be raised by family members instead of the godparents, and mitigated the joys of child-rearing with somewhat realistic problems for unprepared insta-parents .