And that's one of the things I love the most about Alien 3 - all that work, all that fear and pain, and all those people who died, all to rescue one twelve year old girl. All for nothing.

I don't know why that speaks to me, but it does.

(Alan Dean Foster, who wrote the novelization, tried to keep Newt alive in the book, but the studio said no. Foster considered Newt's death an obscenity. It is. The world is an obscene place.)

"You've been in my life so long, I can't remember anything else." --Ellen Ripley

Hate, hate, hate Alien³. Hated it from the moment they killed Newt, offscreen, before the movie even starts. Makes everything that happened in the first two films meaningless.

I'm with Scola here. As soon as they killed off by Newt and Hicks, they lost me, and never got me back.

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Calvin and Hobbes meets Let the Right One In

I'm with Scola here. As soon as they killed off by Newt and Hicks, they lost me, and never got me back.

Right there with you. If they'd just had Ripley drawn back in after getting them away to safety, maybe because she's the only person who knows anything about them like at the start of Aliens, I'd have been OK with her death at the end. But "Rocks fall, everyone dies" doesn't work as the beginning of a movie.

Your discussion here is interesting. I have never been able to finish that movie and I think a couple of you are articulating why.

Is Aliens 3 the one that's the allegory for AIDS?

I'm amused that the very thing that most people hate about the movie is the ting I like the most about it.

I have a fondness for Alien 3. I saw it in the theatre here when I was a kid. I may not even have seen the first two movies at the time.

And on a David Fincher note, I'm off to see The Social Network !

Calvin and Hobbes meets Let the Right One In

Ha! Oh, that's brilliant.

But "Rocks fall, everyone dies" doesn't work as the beginning of a movie.

Yeah, that's why I don't like Alien 3. Newt was my favorite, dammit.

Does anyone use runpee.com? I guess I have a pretty stalwart bladder--I don't tend to pee at cinemas, period. But I went to peek at entries for two movies I've seen recently (Inception and Scott Pilgrim) and I would have been miffed at missing any of either of them. And I didn't even like Scott Pilgrim. I'm just a completist.

Wow, and I thought epileptic Elizabeth Berkeley sex was a thread killer. It's nothing compared to approving of murdering Newt off screen before the movie starts.

I think I'll blame ita's refusal to pee during movies for killing the thread.