I'd say that the racism is right there in Tolkien

That *so* doesn't have to be brought forward in the movie. Jackson was willing to mess with enough shit. He could have had Maori hobbits or dwarves or white Uruk Hai quite simply. That's on him, and not on JRR.

That's on him, and not on JRR.

Especially considering his faithful remake of King Kong which followed.

In happier race-related movie news, Racebending reports that the casting side for Nico Minoru (Runaways, based on the comic) has been revised to specify "Asian-American." [link]

Good news, smonster!

OK- is Julie Taymor my college acting teacher in disguise, because my senior year we did a Tempest with a Prospera and the only black cast member being Caliban. Which was weird, but her casting pool was pretty small (mostly white females) (hence Prospera, and also Trincula, some noblewoman, and a queen). W

That *so* doesn't have to be brought forward in the movie. Jackson was willing to mess with enough shit. He could have had Maori hobbits or dwarves or white Uruk Hai quite simply. That's on him, and not on JRR.

It's true he didn't have to perpetuate the racism in the books. I don't know if he had all those options to him, though, especially since Tolkien does talk a lot about "the race of men" and specifically means some crypto-Aryan ideal.

Racial distinction is a part of Tolkien's world building and not just subtext. Gimli's the only dwarf we see. The Elves are specifically conceived as "fair folk" and would have to match his non-Maori stars anyway. Mighta coulda done the hobbits but he specifically cast very short actors to cheat the size difference illusion he was creating. So that limits your pool of Maori actors considerably. Plus you want to match your lead hobbits.

Casting them as Uruk Hai was the obvious way to give a lot of roles to the Maori, which seems like an admirable goal. Plus, I expect as Maori culture with a strong warrior ethos that was more appealing to them than playing hobbitses.

So, again I'm circling to the issue of representation vs. opportunity for POC actors, and I side with opportunity.

I expect as Maori culture with a strong warrior ethos

I'm just going to eyeroll at that. The implication that they're better suited or all gonna wanna be angry bad guys because they've got a haka is just fancy stereotyping.

I'm just going to eyeroll at that. The implication that they're better suited or all gonna wanna be angry bad guys because they've got a haka is just fancy stereotyping.

I don't think I'm mischaracterizing Maori culture.

To cite just one of thousands of articles on the subject, A Maori writer in two worlds.

Witi Ihimaera considers English to be his primary language for articulating his visions of Maori identity. In an interview with Paul Sharrad he said that the Maori language is "sacred" for him, and that English is a "profane" language. He also notes that if his works were written in Maori, they would not reach as wide an audience. What's more, he stresses, Maori is a warrior culture and a homophobic one at that, and does not always have special terms for the ideas he wishes to express.

And all I meant to say on that subject was that it was probably more appealing for Maori men to play warriors. I don't think that's a reach.

More appealing for the white filmmakers?

I don't think I'm mischaracterizing Maori culture.

No, but you're stereotyping Maori actors. Rumour has it that they're individuals, and they do all sorts of wacky individual things. Like be gay and shit, despite their culture. Even take acting roles where they aren't the bad guys killing people.

No, but you're stereotyping Maori actors. Rumour has it that they're individuals, and they do all sorts of wacky individual things. Like be gay and shit, despite their culture. Even take acting roles where they aren't the bad guys killing people.

Sometimes, they even do it while singing ridiculous folk comedy.