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Strega - Aug 11, 2010 3:56:21 pm PDT #10622 of 30000

I kind of gave up on that Nolan analysis after the woman who never existed in Memento somehow counted toward the total number of dead women. The term "confirmation bias" sprang to mind.

I have noted that love means lifelong guilt in Nolan's movies. I think that's funny, but I don't consider it a problem he needs to correct. It is true that women are not well-served in Hollywood in general, but I think it is a mistake to turn that kind of lens on an individual artist. Among other things, you create the situation you're complaining about -- if every individual female character is going to be tallied up as being a victim/bitch/saint without any context, the simplest way to avoid that criticism is to not have any female characters at all. (I am thinking of some of the criticism leveled at The Shield over Julian's character arc, because he wasn't, I dunno, a positive role model? Nobody else on that show was; why should he be spared?)

I do wish that Nolan would pick a better actresses to play the ingeniue, but I suspect that name recognition and studios play at least a small role in casting, so I'm not sure how much of his fault that is.

I dunno; the books & DVDs I own don't feature many happy, well-adjusted women, heroic women. But they don't feature many men like that either. People like that don't usually make for stories I, personally, want to see.

Unless, of course, they're pirates.


§ ita § - Aug 11, 2010 4:36:01 pm PDT #10623 of 30000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

you're far likelier to find such stories on TV than at the cinema.

I think that's pretty untrue, just because of the existence of independent movies, and the controlled nature of TV. We can quantify what's on TV--yes, more of it will eventually pass the Bechdel test, but if we're to pick the first 2 hours? Probably NSM. And there are a metric shit ton of bereft male protagonists out there. I think so far Alias has been cited as a reversal for TV. That's not representing much.


Atropa - Aug 11, 2010 4:37:51 pm PDT #10624 of 30000
The artist formerly associated with cupcakes.

People like that don't usually make for stories I, personally, want to see.

Exactly!

Unless, of course, they're pirates.

looks at movie collection

Pirates, vampires, or they kill zombies.


smonster - Aug 11, 2010 6:52:59 pm PDT #10625 of 30000
We won’t stop until everyone is gay.

I totally love The Losers. I don't buy many DVDs these days, but that one I just might.

I dunno; the books & DVDs I own don't feature many happy, well-adjusted women, heroic women. But they don't feature many men like that either. People like that don't usually make for stories I, personally, want to see.

Well, yeah. My favorite fictional character is Starbuck, female version, first 1.5 seasons. It's not the morality of any given female character, it's the complexity and agency that makes her interesting and valuable.


le nubian - Aug 11, 2010 7:25:09 pm PDT #10626 of 30000
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

first 1.5 seasons

it's a crying shame you have to add that in there. It's true, but it's a shame.


Sean K - Aug 11, 2010 9:28:12 pm PDT #10627 of 30000
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty

Just saw Inception again. Will post further thoughts tomorrow.


Polter-Cow - Aug 11, 2010 9:33:06 pm PDT #10628 of 30000
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

Dammit, Sean, Christopher Nolan is going to come to your house and steal your thoughts out of your dreams tonight!!!


Sean K - Aug 11, 2010 9:46:57 pm PDT #10629 of 30000
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty

And presumably incept whatever ideas he wants me to have instead.


Polter-Cow - Aug 11, 2010 9:51:00 pm PDT #10630 of 30000
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

The top layer will be "Christopher Nolan is the greatest filmmaker who ever lived," and the bottom layer will be "Christopher Nolan loves me like a son."


billytea - Aug 11, 2010 9:56:13 pm PDT #10631 of 30000
You were a wrong baby who grew up wrong. The wrong kind of wrong. It's better you hear it from a friend.

Middle layer: manpain!