Two steaming cups of chocolate goodness. Courtesy of whomever I swiped it from out of the cupboard.

Ben ,'The Killer In Me'


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Strega - Jul 29, 2010 6:03:36 pm PDT #10294 of 30000

Chris Gore mentioned commentary on Following, and I thought Memento had commentary. Did he stop doing them?

Starting with Batman Begins he hasn't done them, and I suspect that, post-Batman, nobody's going to make him. I found this in an interview from a while back:

I hate doing commentaries. I’ve done them on my other films because in each case they came up with a reason or an interesting way to do it. Insomnia was in production. For Following, I was just talking about how to make a film. As for talking about artistic interpretation, if you will, you can’t possibly do that until the film has had its wings—because the film is not complete until it’s had an audience. There’s nothing more mortifying than to watch these commentaries on movies they’ve done before the movie’s come out because you don’t [really] know what the movie was [and how it played before those it was created to serve]. The movie’s not finished until it’s in front of an audience.


Jon B. - Jul 29, 2010 7:19:20 pm PDT #10295 of 30000
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!

Best. Behind-the-scenes. Photo. Ever. [link]


DavidS - Jul 29, 2010 9:17:19 pm PDT #10296 of 30000
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Best. Behind-the-scenes. Photo. Ever.

That is awesome.


Sean K - Jul 29, 2010 10:12:34 pm PDT #10297 of 30000
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty

That IS awesome.

Just to add some grist to the Inception theory mill, particularly the Mal tricking Cobb to stay in Limbo theory, here is an English translation of the lyrics to Je ne Regrette Rien:

No, nothing at all
No, I don't regret anything
Neither the good that's been done to me
Nor the bad
It's all the same to me

No, nothing at all
No, I don't regret anything
It's been payed for
Swept away
Forgotten
I don't care about the past

With my memories
I have lit the fire
My disappointments, my pleasures
I no longer need them
Swept away are the loves
With their trembling
Swept away forever
I start again at zero

No, nothing at all
No, I don't regret anything
Neither the good that's been done to me
Nor the bad
It's all the same to me

No, nothing at all
No, I don't regret anything
Because my life, because my joy
Today begins with you


Jessica - Jul 30, 2010 3:58:43 am PDT #10298 of 30000
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

Well, DH saw Inception again yesterday and has changed his mind. He's now convinced that the "reality" scenes are, in fact, reality, including the end. Which means now *I* have to see it again too because that's what I was arguing after the first time we saw it, and he convinced me to change MY mind to no-it's-all-a-dream! Argh! Movie!

I asked him to come in here and post for himself, but in case he doesn't, the most convincing case to be made for reality = reality is that before every scene change in the real world, someone will say where they're going next. "I'm taking the train to Kyoto." "I'll fly to Mombassa." And when everyone wakes up, the flight attendant says "We are landing in Los Angeles." Every time the characters change location in the real world, there is an audio cue to tell us where they are going next and how they're going to get there, which explicitly contrasts with the dream-rule of you-don't-remember-getting-here.


Frankenbuddha - Jul 30, 2010 4:08:00 am PDT #10299 of 30000
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

Oooh. Fonebone may have nailed it. I like it.

I still love the fact that the movie is ambiguous enough for it be an arguable point.


smonster - Jul 30, 2010 6:41:02 am PDT #10300 of 30000
We won’t stop until everyone is gay.

I agree with DH. My thing is, if you accept that Inception is an analogy for movies as shared dreaming, then at the end when the top is left spinning, we are the dreamers who wake up. Ha! Just had the thought that it would be supercool when the credits come up if you were in a theater where the seats were equipped to give a little jolt .

Also, here's a little nugget for you that I don't think I've shared. When Fischer is in the hospital room in the fortress, and he opens the final safe to reveal the will and the pinwheel, on the outside face of the safe, in the bottom right-hand corner, is a tiny outline of a lightbulb. I love the attention to detail.

Inception prologue comic. [link]


Frankenbuddha - Jul 30, 2010 7:16:09 am PDT #10301 of 30000
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

Inception question: What was the expanded thing Fischer's father said. Was it "I'm disappointed you never tried"? I guess that's an improvement on just "I'm disappointed", but it doesn't seem to me by much. I suppose it's all in how Fischer will interpret "tried".


§ ita § - Jul 30, 2010 7:18:17 am PDT #10302 of 30000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I'm not sure of the precise quote, Frank, but the sentiment was that he was disappointed that he ever tried. So the upshot of the inception was that Fisher wouldn't go on in his father's footsteps, and would break up the company.


Frankenbuddha - Jul 30, 2010 7:34:05 am PDT #10303 of 30000
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

Hmm, OK. I was reading it as he was disappointed Robert had never tried anything on his own, but yours sounds right as well.