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Spike's Bitches 44: It's about the rules having changed.  

[NAFDA] Spike-centric discussion. Lusty, lewd (only occasionally crude), risqué (and frisqué), bawdy (Oh, lawdy!), flirty ('cuz we're purty), raunchy talk inside. Caveat lector.


Liese S. - Sep 17, 2009 3:49:14 pm PDT #23620 of 30000
"Faded like the lilac, he thought."

I have specifically said the sentence, "I don't want to get married for the sake of getting married."

But, see, this is not an absolute statement. You leave enough space for your mom to think, "Well, the solution to that is for you to get married but for the right reason! Therefore the problem is just your attitude! Which I can fix!" Pardon the punctuation. I don't know your mother. She may use fewer exclamation marks.

You need to say, "I don't want to get married." Full stop. Furthermore, you need to say, "I'm not going to get married."

If that's what you mean!

I'm Japanese. We don't have arranged marriages too much these days, but we did. And I definitely have relatives back in the family tree who married people they barely knew and built wonderful loving families from them. (We also have some heretics who romantically married for love not position and were disowned, starting our branch of the family, so there was bucking of the tradition in there, too.) It's possible. But it happened by way of two people slowly getting to know each other and being willing from the upfront to take each other as they come. And it's ugly and dirty and painful and can also be marvelous in the long run. But it doesn't happen through any snapping fingers.

In all honesty, when we get married the Western way we often don't know our spouse in the way we think we do. We have lots of learning and growing and fighting and blood to get through. At 18, and having known him for a month when I accepted his proposal, I definitely didn't know Dave as well as I should have. And we paid a pretty big price for it, in two years of what was pretty much utter hell while we figured out who we were and who the other person was.

But we made a commitment early on about how we were going to handle our marriage and our relationship to each other and we stuck by it. Probably it was sheer stubbornness that got us through those first couple of years, because we'd eloped and wanted to show everyone up who doubted us. It was incredibly difficult work. But it was the most important work we could have possibly done.

You can have a successful and happy arranged marriage. IF YOU WANT TO. And if you're willing to do the extraordinary amount of work it's going to be to make two lives come together that wouldn't otherwise.

Or you can have a successful and happy love marriage. IF YOU WANT TO. And if you're willing to do the extraordinary amount of work it's going to be to make two lives come together that wouldn't otherwise.

Or you can be a successful and happy single. IF YOU WANT TO. If you're willing to do the extraordinary amount of work it's going to be to make your family content with this decision.

Are you getting where I'm going here?

Didn't mean to be ranty. But as an Asian, I understand the depth of your familial and societal pressure. However, you are still you and have the choice to do whatever you damn well please with your life. And then stand by that choice.

We took a lot of heat for eloping, and certainly for it being an interracial marriage. But it was absolutely the best thing I could have ever done (not the best timing, mind you, I regret the *way* we did it, but not *that* we did it.) and Dave is the absolute best person for me in my life right now. We made our call and we stood by it.

And here we are. TMI? Maybe, but this is Bitches after all. Hee.


sj - Sep 17, 2009 3:51:41 pm PDT #23621 of 30000
"There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea."

I'm trying to convince TCG to take a sick day tomorrow. He's obviously sick, and he has a crazy weekend ahead, but he is so stubborn. I did convince him to go to bed early though.


Cass - Sep 17, 2009 3:53:08 pm PDT #23622 of 30000
Bob's learned to live with tragedy, but he knows that this tragedy is one that won't ever leave him or get better.

Liese says the things I want to say so much better than I do. (And with a background that I simply don't have.)


-t - Sep 17, 2009 3:53:54 pm PDT #23623 of 30000
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

::loves Liese::

I hope the rest helps TCG get better quick-like.


Barb - Sep 17, 2009 3:55:21 pm PDT #23624 of 30000
“Not dead yet!”

::loves Liese unconditionally::


amych - Sep 17, 2009 3:58:09 pm PDT #23625 of 30000
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

::would elope with Liese, if it weren't for our pre-eloped states::


Aims - Sep 17, 2009 4:01:05 pm PDT #23626 of 30000
Shit's all sorts of different now.

::Liese rules!!::


Polter-Cow - Sep 17, 2009 4:45:43 pm PDT #23627 of 30000
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

Thanks, -t and Liese. I want to respond, but my brain is a mess. I can't extricate my own thoughts and desires from my parents' expectations and desires.


sj - Sep 17, 2009 4:46:49 pm PDT #23628 of 30000
"There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea."

{{{{{P-C}}}}}


-t - Sep 17, 2009 4:51:26 pm PDT #23629 of 30000
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

{{{P-C}}} I wish you all the luck in the world.