eta: There was actually a whole Friends episode about this very thing, back in the beginning when Rachel was serving at the coffeehouse, Monica was low on the restaurant totem pole, and Joey wasn't working at all but the others never noticed them gnawing on breadsticks and splitting one side salad.

There's a perception bias factor here, I think. When I'm feeling strapped or otherwise concerned that I don't spend too much, I'm paying pretty close attention to what I and other people are ordering. If you're not, chances are you're not noticing so closely who had an appetizer and who didn't, or who ordered a second or third drink v. an iced tea.

That doesn't mean at all that I, or whoever, shouldn't be called on it if things are lopsided. Since honestly I do prefer to just split evenly where possible, I make a point of noticing that shit so that if it's lopsided, I don't even suggest it. And I think (and it has always been my experience in practice) that once someone says "I only had a salad, I'd rather just pay for what we had" then that should be the end of the discussion.

That's way, way different than one person offering to treat. That is indeed lame, and it's fair for the frugal folks to speak up, point out the difference, and ask to split the bill according to, you know, what each person actually ordered. And the nonfrugals ought to be good and embarrassed.

Oh, good, because it really, really annoyed me, and put a damper on what was otherwise a pretty delightful time. I ended up paying more than twice what I had ordered. It made no sense, even factoring in that we were paying for the birthday girl...except there were, like, ten of us or so.

(Frequently, I'm the one on the budget, more's the pity - I'd rather be extravagant, since that's the way my inner playa rolls.)

There have been times when I have gone out saying to myself that I can only spend such-and-such since I've been going out a lot recently or buying things, and inevitably, that happens to be the night that I deliberately order the cheapest thing on the menu and drink water, and everyone else orders what they want plus drinks, and then the bill's split equally. And I feel cheap speaking up, so instead I just carry around the perpetual annoyance.

I feel that if the bill's going to be split equally, it should be made clear beforehand so you can order accordingly. There have been times when we've gone out and at the end we see that we all ordered around the same amount, and I don't mind splitting then then since it's closer to being fair and equitable and no one's getting screwed. (In fact, I think in the instance I am thinking about, I picked up on the fact that we were ordering similarly, and so I ordered a drink too since I figured we would split at the end; I'd be paying for the drinks anyway so I might as well have one myself.)

Right, but at that point you also have to be willing to be the math person.

My phone has a calculator!

There's a perception bias factor here, I think. When I'm feeling strapped or otherwise concerned that I don't spend too much, I'm paying pretty close attention to what I and other people are ordering.

Right!

And I think (and it has always been my experience in practice) that once someone says "I only had a salad, I'd rather just pay for what we had" then that should be the end of the discussion.

We'll see if I can manage to do that next time.

Although with my religious company, it tends to be the awkward little dance while we figure out which brand of religious everyone is, and if they expect to drink or not.

"What's the difference between a Baptist and a Methodist?"

"A Methodist will speak to you if you run into him at the liquor store."

The "let's just split it" thing can be really irritating. I'm fine with roughly equal; I get pretty testy when it's a fairly large table and a couple of people say "Let's get appetizers! Let's get bottles of wine!" Then, after I've had one or two beers and none of the wine, they say, "Let's just split the bill."

There was actually a whole Friends episode about this very thing

Yeah, oft times especially in high tax cooed people forget how much to add. Hil, I always said 30% in a big group in dc, especially to be on the safe side and because people are bad atath and cause I tip twenty.

Also I have a wrist tattoo, but it's not super noticeable, i can wear long sleeves or a bracelet. Which doesn't work as well for boys, I think.

However, if you do this, make sure you actually pay for everything you ordered, plus tax, plus tip.

Yes, this. I had a friend in college who would never put in for tip (partially on the excuse that he hadn't ordered as much as the rest of us and partially because he didn't believe in tipping). Wound up costing the rest of us a fortune over the years because no matter what he ordered we'd always have to chip in extra to cover him.

I had a friend who never added in tax while figuring out what she owed. It was a weekly thing, so it added up and it bugged.

Luckily, I am close enough friends that people are pretty up front about being all "I've got $25 buck -- I bought this and here's my tip." We have one friend who's a cheapskate, but we've been buying dinners for 15 years, so we know that we're going to have to tell him "You have to chip in more than that." And his wife knows he's cheap, and will even out the bill.

If you're offering to buy dinner, only make the offer to people who know won't soak you on it. Otherwise, I'd say offer to take them out for drinks instead. Or, with friends and family, say "Let's get some dinner. My treat, as long as we keep it under $x."

When people buy me dinner, I make it a point to ask them "Do you mind if I have a drink?" and I try to keep it reasonable. And I let them order first, to see what they're doing and try to follow their lead.

My tats don't show at a job interview, but you can see them in most tanks tops or some tees with a looser neck cut. I'm a teacher in MO, and I'll occasionally get a look or a comment, but the students think it's cool. Many of my co-workers have tats.

I want a wrist tat, but it would be very small, and I would get it placed so that I could wear a bracelet or watch over it in an interview.

I'm bored. TCG has one of his late meetings tonight, and I think I have reached the end of the internet.

Hey, sj. I'm waiting for my iTunes to update so I can sync my iPhone.

I have lots to watch on the DVR, though, so I should probably do that.

Amyth is in the process of moving out and I'm a little sad, though I will still see her almost every day.