What you did to me was unbelievable, Connor. But then I got stuck in a hell dimension by my girlfriend one time for a hundred years, so three months under the ocean actually gave me perspective. Kind of a M.C. Escher perspective, but I did get time to think.

Angel ,'Conviction (1)'


Spike's Bitches 44: It's about the rules having changed.  

[NAFDA] Spike-centric discussion. Lusty, lewd (only occasionally crude), risqué (and frisqué), bawdy (Oh, lawdy!), flirty ('cuz we're purty), raunchy talk inside. Caveat lector.


Hil R. - Feb 15, 2009 2:34:53 pm PST #1100 of 30000
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

And just heard the door open and the woman talking to another man, but I'm not sure if he was entering or leaving. Or if he was one of the same ones as the first two.


Amy - Feb 15, 2009 2:35:12 pm PST #1101 of 30000
Because books.

Well, now that sounds like QUITE the Valentine's Day!!! No wonder she was loud!

Bow chicka wow wow ...


Fay - Feb 15, 2009 2:45:18 pm PST #1102 of 30000
"Fuck Western ideologically-motivated gender identification!" Sulu gasped, and came.

Well, go team her!

"chav" does seem very not-US-at-all, from what I've seen of it, Hil. But I"m sure we have groups that are very not-UK, I suppose.

afaik, it's our equivalent of white trash. Sookie Stackhouse pings me as an example of an American version of a chav. 'Course, the word has come into usage during my time as an expat, so I may be wrong - but it seems to refer to all the things that, when I was little, my mum used to call "common". Nowadays nobody says "common" - but they throw "chav" around like nobody's business.

Breakfast, Dinner, Tea = working class terminology.

Breakfast, Lunch, Dinner = middle class terminology.

I'm surprised "dessert" is chav-y, but I guess maybe it's because it's a faux-posh thing? Or something? Because most people would say pudding, or afters.


Hil R. - Feb 15, 2009 2:48:41 pm PST #1103 of 30000
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

afaik, it's our equivalent of white trash.

White trash is a fairly regional term, though, I think. I don't think I've ever heard it used in the northeast. The tracksuits and designer knockoffs and big gold jewelry thing seems like bridge-and-tunnel crowd, but that's even more regional -- just the NYC area.


Nora Deirdre - Feb 15, 2009 2:51:44 pm PST #1104 of 30000
I’m responsible for my own happiness? I can’t even be responsible for my own breakfast! (Bojack Horseman)

White trash is a fairly regional term, though, I think. I don't think I've ever heard it used in the northeast.

Oh, I sure have.


Hil R. - Feb 15, 2009 2:54:00 pm PST #1105 of 30000
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

Interesting. I've heard "trash," but not "white trash."


sj - Feb 15, 2009 2:57:57 pm PST #1106 of 30000
"There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea."

Oops! I just woke up from a nap lasting several hours. That is not supposedto be the result of drinking half a pot of tea in the afternoon.

Shit I didn't do today: Put a sign on the first floor landing that says ''We live here too. Please remember you indoor voice when coming and going, and don't slam the fucking door.''


Hil R. - Feb 15, 2009 2:59:00 pm PST #1107 of 30000
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

Actually, now that I think about it, I have heard "white trash" in NJ, but only to describe either Britney Spears or Eminem. I have no idea what this signifies.


sj - Feb 15, 2009 3:00:13 pm PST #1108 of 30000
"There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea."

I reluctantly admit to using the term "white trash" more than once.


Fay - Feb 15, 2009 3:01:41 pm PST #1109 of 30000
"Fuck Western ideologically-motivated gender identification!" Sulu gasped, and came.

White trash is a fairly regional term, though, I think.

But...I presume that you have comparable terms in most areas? Inasmuch as there IS a class system, and you do have class markers, and you get working class people in all parts of the US? I mean, I don't know what you'd call Ugly Betty's family, for example, but again that strikes me as a parallel, regardless of New Yorkness and ethnicity and so on.

I mean, I think "chav" is pretty much a regional term, fwiw. In Liverpool you'd still say "scally" and in Scotland you'd still say "ned." I'm sure there are others, but "chav" has got a lot of play on telly of late, and is probably the best known outside the UK. But it's just a slang term that means "working class".