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Natter 63: Life after PuppyCam  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


§ ita § - Mar 05, 2009 12:06:11 pm PST #9288 of 30000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

He fucking bit her.

I am overly bothered by this.


Typo Boy - Mar 05, 2009 12:07:53 pm PST #9289 of 30000
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

ita, I'm totally with you on their is no excuse, and she should leave him. But I'm just pointing out, it is really typical behavior for her not to. It is a situation where it is really hard for the victim to see that leaving is the right thing to do.


§ ita § - Mar 05, 2009 12:14:11 pm PST #9290 of 30000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I wasn't responding to you, TB. More like cross posting.

I've known one woman who was physically abused (who shared with me, anyway). She's one of the strongest women I've ever met. She had to be essentially kidnapped away while her boyfriend was on vacation. After he'd broken bones.

I know I don't understand it. It could happen to me. But it hasn't, and it makes me crazy.


Jesse - Mar 05, 2009 12:21:47 pm PST #9291 of 30000
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

It makes me crazy, too. Someone tried to say some shit to me (a while ago) about how maybe it wasn't all him or whatever, and my point was this: a relationship with violence like that is not a good relationship for either of them!


Strix - Mar 05, 2009 12:22:33 pm PST #9292 of 30000
A dress should be tight enough to show you're a woman but loose enough to flee from zombies. — Ginger

Having worked in two DV shelters and been a court DV liaison, the average -- average! -- number of times a woman leaves an abuser is 7. 7. And this is after worse violence than has been visited upon Rhianna, I'm sad to say. I've seen police photos of a woman whose boyfriend took an axe to her and she refused to press charges. It's terribly hard not to blame the victim in some cases because it seems so clear-cut from the other side of the fence -- you're like. "Jesus, woman! A fucking axe!" but it's hard because oftentimes, there's years of emotional investment, economic considerations, habit, cultural imperatives...these women often know they should leave, but actually doing so, when faced with the abuser, it's extremely hard. Because they often do love the person. And almost no relationship is all bad -- the lure of "he can change" can be incredibly seductive when you love someone, even someone who hurts you.

In MO, at least, in DV cases, it's no longer the vic who presses charges -- it if it's called in as DV to the police, then there it automatically reverts to the prosecutor's office and there is a mandatory hearing. Sometimes there are cases where this is not valid, but since so many women refuse to testify against their abuser, this does lead to more jail time, since PO's, EMT's and other witnesses can and do tesify.

I'm not an apologist for abusers -- hardly! -- but even smart, savvy women have problems leaving abusive relationships.


Jesse - Mar 05, 2009 12:24:26 pm PST #9293 of 30000
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

...these women often know they should leave, but actually doing so, when faced with the abuser, it's extremely hard. Because they often do love the person. And almost no relationship is all bad -- the lure of "he can change" can be incredibly seductive when you love someone, even someone who hurts you.

I hear that.


Sheryl - Mar 05, 2009 12:46:30 pm PST #9294 of 30000
Fandom means never having to say "But where would I wear that?"

Timelies all!


§ ita § - Mar 05, 2009 12:58:35 pm PST #9295 of 30000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Does anyone remember a vegetable stock recipe around here, one where you roast the vegetables beforehand? I tried it once, and it was arvellous, but I didn't record it. Googling hasn't rung a bell yet.


javachik - Mar 05, 2009 1:54:12 pm PST #9296 of 30000
Our wings are not tired.

Wow. I had imagined an impassioned 2-way fight, because that's all too understandable.

But man, what really happened is so much more terrifying. I also read that she told police that it wasn't the first time.


§ ita § - Mar 05, 2009 2:07:50 pm PST #9297 of 30000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

She was pretty quick-witted to fake the call to her first assistant. I can't imagine having quite that much presence of mind. I think my brain would be all lizard at that point.