Stop that right now! I can hear the smacking!

Giles ,'Never Leave Me'


Natter 63: Life after PuppyCam  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


msbelle - Jan 30, 2009 9:53:39 am PST #4319 of 30000
I remember the crazy days. 500 posts an hour. Nubmer! Natgbsb

There's a fairly large gap between, "I can feed my family without government aid" and "I can pay for a college education". Seriously.

And there's also a difference between a family needing to go on aid and that same family deciding to have more kids once they are on aid.

who suggested families give up their kids?! and who suggested laws?


Amy - Jan 30, 2009 9:55:43 am PST #4320 of 30000
Because books.

But it's also Not Wise to limit childbearing and -rearing to people that know they'll be able to afford to pay for a college education.

This would have left me out. I don't think anyone is suggesting that.


Ginger - Jan 30, 2009 10:07:49 am PST #4321 of 30000
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda

I think once a child has been born, we as a society have obligations to that child regardless of their parents' choices. I become very twitchy when the talk show types talk about cutting off aid to women who have many children because of poor life choices. The blood pressure starts to rise pretty high when they get on the topic of the welfare queen, a creature more mythical than the unicorn. I'd love to see them raise several children on what AFDC pays.

Regardless of any of that, our society will suffer if those children don't get adequate food and encouragement and support to stay in school. I'd be for a large investment in free contraception and education that teaches the costs and responsibilities of raising children. However, I'd also like it to be socially unacceptable to have large families and drive gas guzzlers.


Gudanov - Jan 30, 2009 10:16:51 am PST #4322 of 30000
Coding and Sleeping

I think once a child has been born, we as a society have obligations to that child regardless of their parents' choices. I become very twitchy when the talk show types talk about cutting off aid to women who have many children because of poor life choices.

That gets to me too, kids aren't just pieces of property. Not to mention that sometimes life situations just change, almost nobody can financially survive a unexpected job loss followed by a major health problem for instance.


Theodosia - Jan 30, 2009 10:32:21 am PST #4323 of 30000
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

I'm judgey about Clown Uterus Woman, but I'd be just as judgey if she were a lesbian separatist or a polygamous Mormon or married to a zillionaire with a staff of 14 nannies to hand (okay, maybe not quite as much with the last).

(Note also, I'm the elder sister with younger multiple brothers, who was raised by single (widowed) mother on public assistance, so I come by my judgey-ment by honest means and experience.)

That the delivery medical staff were astounded to learn that she already had 6 children speaks to her mindset, I'd say -- I expect that however she conceived there was also duplicity involved, or perhaps she went the black market fertility drug route.


msbelle - Jan 30, 2009 10:36:54 am PST #4324 of 30000
I remember the crazy days. 500 posts an hour. Nubmer! Natgbsb

I hope some news person (Rachel Maddow, I mean you) is having their staff make up a chart to track all the things Obama is reversing in his first 100 days.


Dana - Jan 30, 2009 10:38:22 am PST #4325 of 30000
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.

My grandmother had 11 kids, and if anyone gets judgey about her, I will metaphorically and over the internet step on your face.


Strega - Jan 30, 2009 10:45:40 am PST #4326 of 30000

I don't think you should get a dog unless you expect to be able to provide basic care for it.

Maybe the dog gets sick, or you do. Or you have to move to a place without a decent vet. Or whatever. For some reason you can't provide for the dog as well as you'd expected. Life's unpredictable, and you made a reasonable decision at the time. No judging.

But if someone says, "I've always wanted a dog, and now I can afford one! I work 18 hour days, travel a lot, and live in a tiny studio apartment. I think I'll get a German Shepherd -- I don't know anything about them except that they're very cute!" I think society is entitled to respond, "Wow, that's a terrible idea."

I wouldn't want laws about minimal dog-ownership standards, but social censure is better at handling nuances than the law is.


Kathy A - Jan 30, 2009 10:48:03 am PST #4327 of 30000
We're very stretchy. - Connie Neil

I hope some news person (Rachel Maddow, I mean you) is having their staff make up a chart to track all the things Obama is reversing in his first 100 days.

I remember seeing a link to one of the political blogs (Pam Spaulding's, maybe?) that had a list of all of Obama's executive orders.

It was nice to see his labor EOs today, considering he still doesn't have a Labor Secretary confirmed.


tommyrot - Jan 30, 2009 10:51:55 am PST #4328 of 30000
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

I was wondering when and where Obama would make his first foreign trip.... Obama To Canada On First Foreign Trip As President

On his first trip abroad, President Obama will make a traditional trip to Canada in his first few weeks as President. The date for the trip is just a few weeks away, set for February 19.

It's traditional for new presidents to go to Canada first? Man, the things I don't know....