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Natter 63: Life after PuppyCam  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Burrell - Jan 22, 2009 9:32:31 am PST #3078 of 30000
Why did Darth Vader cross the road? To get to the Dark Side!

Hi there!

So I hate to be a killjoy WRT Obama's tough talk about releasing all of Bush's presidential records, but I thought that much of it has already been destroyed. Didn't Cheney's office already destroy all email, cell phone records, etc? Or am I misremembering?


tommyrot - Jan 22, 2009 9:33:56 am PST #3079 of 30000
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

Didn't Cheney's office already destroy all email, cell phone records, etc?

I'm not sure. A lot, anyway.


juliana - Jan 22, 2009 9:34:15 am PST #3080 of 30000
I’d be lying if I didn’t say that I miss them all tonight…

Does this mean they might prosecute for illegal Bush activities? Cause I thought I heard that Obama has been making noises about not doing that ("moving forward, not looking back") and to that I say FUCK NO! PROSECUTE! It's important as it sets a precedent for future administrations.

I remember hearing some dude somewhere (this was a few weeks ago, plz forgive lack of brain) say that the best way to go about it would be to appoint a (political) committee to assemble a (non-political) committee to delve into any possibly prosecutable offenses made by the former Administration and to make a case for the prosecution of said acts. That way, it gives time for the nation to heal and things to get back on course, while still Doing Something about it. Also, it gives time to build a real case.


megan walker - Jan 22, 2009 9:34:47 am PST #3081 of 30000
"What kind of magical sunshine and lollipop world do you live in? Because you need to be medicated."-SFist

Especially since in places like NYC and SF, rents are holding steady. In San Francisco, average rent is projected to go up 3.3% this year, with only a minor bump in vacancy.

I find that hard to believe since I have been vaguely looking since August and there has been a noticeable downturn ($50-100) in my price range and things are available for much longer on craigslist now than in the fall. Unless that projection is for the coming year and they are using a January low as a base.


msbelle - Jan 22, 2009 9:37:52 am PST #3082 of 30000
I remember the crazy days. 500 posts an hour. Nubmer! Natgbsb

As much as I'd like to see government officials held accountable, no way do I want Obama presenting it as something at the front of his agenda right now. Nor would I want it to appear that he was spending a lot of white house time on it.


tommyrot - Jan 22, 2009 9:41:21 am PST #3083 of 30000
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

...no way do I want Obama presenting it as something at the front of his agenda right now. Nor would I want it to appear that he was spending a lot of white house time on it.

I agree. Which is why I think letting Fitz deal with it for a few months or a year might be a good way to go.


tommyrot - Jan 22, 2009 9:50:47 am PST #3084 of 30000
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

I'm curious - how do the First Daughters get to school? Does the Secret Service take them? Is there a whole motorcade, or just one Chevy Suburban?


Fred Pete - Jan 22, 2009 9:51:18 am PST #3085 of 30000
Ann, that's a ferret.

Any adequate investigation would take time. Even assuming destruction of a lot of documents, there should be quite a few left. Witnesses would have to be found and interviewed. Whoever is conducting the investigation would have to recommend action, and I'd bet good money that several Cabinet members (and possibly the President himself) would be involved in reviewing those recommendations.

Who should investigate? I'd suggest a team (maybe three? five?) of senior civil-service-level Justice Department attorneys, a team of senior civil-service-level investigators from Homeland Security, and at least one or two senior civil-service-level advisors from Defense.


Tom Scola - Jan 22, 2009 9:58:48 am PST #3086 of 30000
Remember that the frontier of the Rebellion is everywhere. And even the smallest act of insurrection pushes our lines forward.

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One things seems clear regarding Condoleezza Rice’s stewardship of the State Department: she did not command the admiration of many of those who worked with her. The reaction of State Department employees as Hillary Clinton arrived this morning apparently bears comparison to the liberation of Paris at the end of World War II.


Matt the Bruins fan - Jan 22, 2009 10:06:15 am PST #3087 of 30000
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Huh. I'm kind of surprised to hear the negatives about Rice's tenure re: self-aggrandizement. While I knew she did her job shilling Bush's Let's Pretend approach to foreign policy, I'd had the impression that she was unique among Bush's cabinet (after Powell's departure, anyway) in being qualified to hold the position she was appointed to.