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'Objects In Space'


Natter 63: Life after PuppyCam  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Toddson - Jul 01, 2009 12:31:29 pm PDT #26910 of 30000
Friends don't let friends read "Atlas Shrugged"

We moved to NJ when I was young and I went through HS there. My view may have been skewed - it was a very uncongenial town and I got out as fast as I could and went back only when necessary.


Trudy Booth - Jul 01, 2009 12:34:23 pm PDT #26911 of 30000
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

Jughandles are AWESOME. I feel bad for the rest of the country. Don't you wish the mob had sweetheart by-the-mile deals in your states? If only for the jug handles?

I was just out in Indiana and went by three gaps in the concrete median before I decided that must be where they want us to turn left... no signs, no painted arrows, no dashes on the pavement. Just a gap in the median. On a fairly major road.

Traffic circles are of the devil.


brenda m - Jul 01, 2009 12:41:59 pm PDT #26912 of 30000
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

Jughandles are just so odd, aren't they? I'll be encountering them again later this month, when I drive out to NJ to see my mom and brother. I guess they make sense if you don't want to use a left turn lane, but I've never seen that solution used elsewhere.

Some parts of Michigan have this weird set-up where instead of turning left you're supposed to go past your intersection then make a U-turn and and go right. But I know not of this jughandle thing.


Dana - Jul 01, 2009 12:44:01 pm PDT #26913 of 30000
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.

instead of turning left you're supposed to go past your intersection then make a U-turn and and go right.

That's New Orleans. There are large sections of New Orleans where you can't turn left.


Polter-Cow - Jul 01, 2009 12:45:22 pm PDT #26914 of 30000
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

It's a good thing Donna Noble didn't live in New Orleans.


Juliebird - Jul 01, 2009 12:46:10 pm PDT #26915 of 30000
I am the fly who dreams of the spider

The concept of jughandles being safer than an advanced green arrow and cutting down on traffic piling up for a left turn is horse poo.

Most of the jughandles are so badly labled that even knowing where they are roughly, I still end up missing it, turning right too early, and then, as I'm entering a hairpin turn, I'm crossing three lanes of merging traffic all wanting to go left, straight and right from various points of entry and crossing and merging all in the space of ten feet. I was once on a jug handle that spelled "&"

There was a jughandle that I always tried to avoid because it was basically another left turn with only one car length to get in and dodge traffic.


StuntHusband - Jul 01, 2009 12:58:36 pm PDT #26916 of 30000
Electromagnetic candy! - Stark

"Jughandles" - out of context, and being solidly from the Left Coast, this meant nothing to me. Totally mystified.

Suddenly TRAFFIC PATTERNS enters the conversation, and while I think I know more, I'm also more CONFUSED.


Juliebird - Jul 01, 2009 1:01:01 pm PDT #26917 of 30000
I am the fly who dreams of the spider

Jughandle: [link]


StuntHusband - Jul 01, 2009 1:07:24 pm PDT #26918 of 30000
Electromagnetic candy! - Stark

Juliebird: Thank you! And...interesting. I think if you did that in Seattle it would cause automotive mayhem similar to Snow (just SAY that word and watch traffic back up for 3 hours; I'm not kidding - happened last winter, one radio weather forecaster mentioned the possibility of snow (that never fell), traffic went straight to perdition)

Jughandles are dogs-and-cats-living-together.


ChiKat - Jul 01, 2009 1:11:56 pm PDT #26919 of 30000
That man was going to shank me. Over an omelette. Two eggs and a slice of government cheese. Is that what my life is worth?

Jughandle: [link]

Huh. I did not know what those were called. Other than annoying. There are a few in the western 'burbs here.