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Natter 63: Life after PuppyCam  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Theodosia - Jun 29, 2009 12:15:57 pm PDT #26551 of 30000
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

Look at it this way, negative numbers are, in real world terms, imaginary in that you can't, for example, have "negative three apples".

Some numbers are just more imaginary than others.


Gudanov - Jun 29, 2009 12:17:47 pm PDT #26552 of 30000
Coding and Sleeping

I suppose you could have a negative apple, but if it touched anything you'd start tossing around battleships.

A medium sized negative apple appears to have a yield of 1.5 megatons of destructive force. About 3 megatons of actual energy.


tommyrot - Jun 29, 2009 12:19:42 pm PDT #26553 of 30000
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

A negative apple is what you have when Guido the loan shark is about to stop by and pick up the apple you owe him.


Jesse - Jun 29, 2009 12:20:17 pm PDT #26554 of 30000
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Math is kind of an easy subject to be able to to see how these different cultures though about things very differently than we did. There's zero. There's the idea that unit fractions are the only possibility. Negative numbers. Irrational numbers. My personal favorite, infinity. Each one really requires a paradigm shift. It's hard to think about, that they didn't just not use zero, they never conceived of the possibility of something like zero.

Yeah, really interesting.


Sophia Brooks - Jun 29, 2009 12:20:56 pm PDT #26555 of 30000
Cats to become a rabbit should gather immediately now here

I think that the problem with imaginary and real numbers is that those words mean very different things to the English majors among us. For me if you use the word imaginary, it has the same level of "realness" as my daydreams or "playing pretend"-- it seems that you have to have a belief (or at least a suspension of disbelief) that the "imaginary" are "real".

As if imaginary numbers are Narnia and Santa Claus and real numbers are England and our parents, and while I believe that Narnia and Santa Claus exist, I don't believe that they actually exist in the physical world, just that those ideas have something special about them that describes a human truth. And I feel like, with imaginary numbers being something you can work with to get actual electricity, I am being told that Santa Claus is an actual man who lives on the North Pole. And my brain just sort of explodiates.


Amy - Jun 29, 2009 12:21:39 pm PDT #26556 of 30000
Because books.

I don't remember very well. I think you can use them to introduce a new dimension to a calculation. I believe one example is introducing phase into the math of AC electrical circuits.

For someone who is a very visual learner, this kind of stuff makes me want to cry. Do. Not. Understand.

History of math is way cool, though.


Gudanov - Jun 29, 2009 12:26:17 pm PDT #26557 of 30000
Coding and Sleeping

I think that the problem with imaginary and real numbers is that those words mean very different things to the English majors among us.

Yeah, it's unfortunate naming. You gotta think of neutral names like star-bellied numbers and plain-bellied numbers.


Steph L. - Jun 29, 2009 12:26:29 pm PDT #26558 of 30000
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

Some people, I'm not saying who, are bigoted against numbers that aren't in the real set.

Woot! Down with letter-appropriating imaginary "numbers"!


Barb - Jun 29, 2009 12:27:28 pm PDT #26559 of 30000
“Not dead yet!”

::runs screaming from the math talk::


Gudanov - Jun 29, 2009 12:27:43 pm PDT #26560 of 30000
Coding and Sleeping

I'm a big fan of quantum mechanics, so imaginary numbers don't present much of a problem. The thing I love about quantum mechanics is the ability to perfectly predict experiments and not have a clue what the fuck is actually going on.