No. And yes. It's always sudden.

Tara ,'Storyteller'


Natter 63: Life after PuppyCam  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Wolfram - Jan 20, 2009 9:04:01 am PST #2432 of 30000
Visilurking

I didn't mind Warren's invocation at all, mainly because I didn't feel like he was speaking to me or for me. He was addressing Obama, and Obama is a Christian and believes in Jesus, and God, and the New Testament, and the power of prayer. While Warren should have taken care not to say anything offensive (which i don't think he did), I don't see why he should take care not to say anything he wouldn't have said in his own church, or in a private prayer session with Obama.

Had Obama been Muslim, or Jewish, or Hindu, or Atheist, I expect he'd have had an Imam, or Rabbi, or Brahmin, or a well-respected Humanist give the invocation, which could include the relative religious references (or non-references) without offense as well.


Steph L. - Jan 20, 2009 9:04:15 am PST #2433 of 30000
I look more rad than Lutheranism

Yeah, but the difference is -- I don't get a parade!

Good point. I think I'll refuse to do any actual work today until someone throws me a parade.

That's the spirit!


Connie Neil - Jan 20, 2009 9:04:37 am PST #2434 of 30000
brillig

Warren's invocation felt just kind of oddly tone-deaf. He's got every working day of his life to speak to people who share his specific faith, culture, history. It didn't kill Graham to soften and open his choice of words on that one day on which he had just a few minutes to speak to everyone; it wouldn't have killed Warren.

He was asked to give the invocation. He couldn't be blamed for thinking they wanted an invocation he would give.


Hil R. - Jan 20, 2009 9:04:37 am PST #2435 of 30000
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

Or rather, instead of being inclusive by trying to bring in everyone's traditions, it felt inclusive by subsuming everyone's culture into Christianity.

Yes! This is what I was trying to say but couldn't figure out how to phrase.


beth b - Jan 20, 2009 9:06:00 am PST #2436 of 30000
oh joy! Oh Rapture ! I have a brain!

a parade might inspire me to go to work.


tommyrot - Jan 20, 2009 9:06:08 am PST #2437 of 30000
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

I love Obama's sense of humor. It's kinda' Buffista-ish, huh?

Obama takes first actions in office

Shortly after delivering his inaugural address, President Obama took his first official actions in office. First, he signed a document declaring today a National Day of Renewal and Reconciliation. Then he signed off on his cabinet nominations.

After signing off on the first document, Obama carefully put down the pen, folded his hands and dead-panned: "I was told not to swipe the pen, which I often do." He stood up to leave, but was reminded he had more documents to sign. The new president said: "That's true, I guess I have to have a Cabinet, don't I? Yeah, I forgot about that."

As Obama wrote his name on the documents, CNN's Wolf Blitzer provided this commentary: "His penmanship, I must say, is excellent."


msbelle - Jan 20, 2009 9:06:22 am PST #2438 of 30000
I remember the crazy days. 500 posts an hour. Nubmer! Natgbsb

I have done some work today, but I am not gonna kill myself to get stuff done. I mean, my boss is not here. I would liek to get lunch at some point, but also do not want to miss stuff. Maybe I can ask someone to get me stuff.


Typo Boy - Jan 20, 2009 9:06:56 am PST #2439 of 30000
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

I will emphasize what Matt said about the Warren/Graham comparison. Graham may or may not have been more conservative than Warren. (Depends on the issue. I don't remember Graham saying women should stay with men who beat them, but maybe I missed it, not being exactly a Graham fan.) But Warren used language that specifically stirred up hate (not today, in general), something Graham mostly avoided. I'm much more concerned with Warren going out of his way to stir up anti-gay emotions, especially when there is already a real problem with gays being beaten, raped and murdered at a higher rate than the general population.


Theresa - Jan 20, 2009 9:08:02 am PST #2440 of 30000
"What would it take to get your daughter to stop tweeting about this?"

CNN blurb says Obama to speak at all 10 official inaugural balls and the President and First Lady will dance at all ten. My feet hurt for them.


beth b - Jan 20, 2009 9:11:53 am PST #2441 of 30000
oh joy! Oh Rapture ! I have a brain!

I just remembered that I have to go in today -- or close the reference desk. My co-worker had to go to a meeting ( boo hiss for her) so there would be times when no one would be available for the desk. Darn