I wish I had taken today off! I don't want to do work now!!
Yeah, I was hoping for an executive order to take the rest of the day off.
Prepare to uncouple -- uncouple.
Oz ,'Same Time, Same Place'
Natter 63: Life after PuppyCam
Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.
Steph L. - Jan 20, 2009 8:59:37 am PST #2422 of 30000
I look more rad than Lutheranism
Jesse - Jan 20, 2009 8:59:43 am PST #2423 of 30000
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.
"Father, son, holy spirit" is also pretty explicitly Christian.
Absolutely. I am mostly reacting to the relative amount of "real estate" given in the prayer. I don't think there's any way you invite a Christian minister to pray and expect that he's not giving a Christian prayer.
msbelle - Jan 20, 2009 8:59:53 am PST #2424 of 30000
I remember the crazy days. 500 posts an hour. Nubmer! Natgbsb
I'd love the day when we could have religious figures present or not and have it be no big deal, but not REQUIRED. Me, I'd like a circle of leaders from many faiths as well as a non-faith humanist all wishing me well before I took the oath, but you know, I'd never want to be a politician.
amych - Jan 20, 2009 9:00:42 am PST #2425 of 30000
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?
Hmm. See, I wasn't bothered at all by the Lord's Prayer -- I wasn't expecting him to do the don't-name-anything-too-specific dance that a lot of ecumenical prayers suffer from. But the Jesus in all the languages bit rubbed me very wrong, and felt like the opposite of inclusive. Or rather, instead of being inclusive by trying to bring in everyone's traditions, it felt inclusive by subsuming everyone's culture into Christianity.
(And, to be clear, that's a felt-to-me thing, and not a slam on others' reactions or an attempt to read Warren's intentions.)
Jessica - Jan 20, 2009 9:00:50 am PST #2426 of 30000
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset
Yeah, I was hoping for an executive order to take the rest of the day off.
Hey now, Obama had to go to work today too!
Steph L. - Jan 20, 2009 9:01:34 am PST #2427 of 30000
I look more rad than Lutheranism
Yeah, I was hoping for an executive order to take the rest of the day off.
Hey now, Obama had to go to work today too!
Yeah, but the difference is -- I don't get a parade!
msbelle - Jan 20, 2009 9:02:01 am PST #2428 of 30000
I remember the crazy days. 500 posts an hour. Nubmer! Natgbsb
Bush's plane has taken off. Just to keep religion in it a bit long...God's speed.
JZ - Jan 20, 2009 9:02:25 am PST #2429 of 30000
See? I gave everybody here an opportunity to tell me what a bad person I am and nobody did, because I fuckin' rule.
I wasn't surprised that a Christian pastor would mention Jesus at all, but I was bothered by how strongly and repeatedly he punched it, in distinct contrast to Graham's speech, which, at least from the transcript vw provided, felt more balanced--definitely from a Christian perspective, and certainly still somewhat excluding strong nonbelievers, but at least much more inviting and inclusive of all people of faith, Christian and non-.
Warren's invocation felt just kind of oddly tone-deaf. He's got every working day of his life to speak to people who share his specific faith, culture, history. It didn't kill Graham to soften and open his choice of words on that one day on which he had just a few minutes to speak to everyone; it wouldn't have killed Warren.
Jessica - Jan 20, 2009 9:03:06 am PST #2430 of 30000
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset
Yeah, but the difference is -- I don't get a parade!
Good point. I think I'll refuse to do any actual work today until someone throws me a parade.
Ginger - Jan 20, 2009 9:04:00 am PST #2431 of 30000
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda
Just because we all have our cranky buttons: The Other Guy, not just some guy, founded the SCLC with Dr. King, led the Selma march, etc etc etc many decades of etc.
That's what I was thinking. He's not just an old-school orator; he's old school period in the civil rights movement. We're fortunate to hear him a lot in Atlanta, and he's used that brown-yellow-red thing before. He's also the one who said this at Coretta Scott King's funeral:
We know now there were no weapons of mass destruction over there. But Coretta knew and we know that there are weapons of misdirection right down here. Millions without health insurance. Poverty abounds. For war billions more but no more for the poor!
JZ, I'm glad to see I was in good company standing at my desk for the National Anthem.