You can't open the book of my life and jump in the middle. Like woman, I'm a mystery.

Mal ,'Our Mrs. Reynolds'


Natter 63: Life after PuppyCam  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Trudy Booth - Jun 05, 2009 5:31:46 pm PDT #22998 of 30000
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

It's proof, really, that she's no different than any given upper white class man. Except for maybe the leg up from affirmative action.

THIS is why I suggest the little red lapel stars. Nothing flashy. It just keeps you from getting away with the every man schtick or acting like John Edwards is blowing you out of the water financially.


brenda m - Jun 05, 2009 5:33:35 pm PDT #22999 of 30000
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

It was clear that I was being sarcastic there, right?

I'm totally with you on the stars - but she's not remotely in that category.


Trudy Booth - Jun 05, 2009 5:35:04 pm PDT #23000 of 30000
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

Oh no, I got your sarcasm.


Hil R. - Jun 05, 2009 5:36:27 pm PDT #23001 of 30000
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

We need actual definitions for these things, you know? Are there any? I'd give a single person with that salary even in NYC a little more of a bump than upper middle class.

True. I wasn't really considering that she's single with no kids. But on the other hand, does age matter? Like, would a 25-year-old and a 50-year-old with the same salary be the same "class"? For some reason, it seems to me like the older person would be a lower class than the younger person, but I really can't explain why. I need to think about this more.


Trudy Booth - Jun 05, 2009 5:42:27 pm PDT #23002 of 30000
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

Well, the older person with the same salary may not have the same earning potential. That probably counts for something.


Hil R. - Jun 05, 2009 5:51:12 pm PDT #23003 of 30000
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

I think I'd consider "upper-middle class" to be somewhere that it's possible to get to with a standard white-collar job, like working your way up as a lawyer or doctor or something, and "rich" would be something that requires more than that -- either inherited money or getting way to the top of a corporation or something.

I'm not sure where I'd put the numbers, but in terms of stuff, I'd say small vacation house on the Jersey Shore is upper-middle, big vacation house in the Hamptons is rich; apartment just big enough to comfortably house your family, but no bigger, is upper-middle, apartment with extra rooms is rich; once a week maid is upper-middle, live-in nanny is rich. (All this for people living in Manhattan. Outer boroughs or suburbs have totally different gauges.)


Jesse - Jun 05, 2009 5:55:16 pm PDT #23004 of 30000
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

I would hope that a high-level successful professional would make the kind of money to make them (at least) upper middle class, even in public service. And I would hope that a Supreme Court Justice would be a high-level successful professional. Much like I hope they would be smarter than me.

Anyway. I already had my major event of the weekend, spending the day out in the suburbs with a friend, her hilarious toddler, and delightful husband.


javachik - Jun 05, 2009 5:58:02 pm PDT #23005 of 30000
Our wings are not tired.

Non-rich is working for your money.

Rich is when your money works for you.

Sotomayor is no where close to rich.


Lee - Jun 05, 2009 5:59:30 pm PDT #23006 of 30000
The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.

I think, before everything went to hell, first year associates in large firms were starting at about $120,000.

Actually, that seems on the low side, at least around here.

New Kitteh is home! Her name so far is Sophie. There has been no vomiting.


javachik - Jun 05, 2009 6:00:29 pm PDT #23007 of 30000
Our wings are not tired.

Yay, Perkins and Sophie. I hope the evening goes smoothly. Does she remember you??