In N Out? Really? I mean, for fast food it's good, and you can't beat the price.

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In-N-Out is the burger to recommend across the whole span of California - there are better burgers but at individual restaurants

I totally agree. Are many of the other states' choices a hat tip to chain burgers?

I don't even like In-N-Out that much, because of their special sauce. Off the top of my head, even allowing for that, I submit that the burgers at The Corner are better. And that's just for starters--I don't know many competing burger joints in the city of LA, never mind the whole state.

Completely unrelatedly, PMM & Bev, I bumped into Dark Angel S3 info as I was searching TWOP for discussion on The Unit (which has me totally confused recently).

- There were already a couple of treatments for Season 3 before it got cancelled. My favorite was the more developed one put forth by the show's regular creative team (the writers and producers). It had the Terminal City seige going on for a couple of episodes, ending with a big walk out. Basically, everyone was supposed to walk out unarmed and the army would have backed down rather than faced the PR nightmare of slaughtering hundreds of unarmed people. Logan would have become a transgenic blood junkie. He would have become obsessed with getting transfusions so he could keep walking. The virus would have been cured, but the transfusion thing, plus Max's increased daily involvement with TC (Logan never liked Max getting involved with other transgenics, even back at the very beginning in S1) would have broken Max and Logan up. Eventually, Max would have hooked up with Alec. The foundations of that relationship were already being slowly built up ever since "Hello Goodbye." Alec's emotional investment in Max was being built up long before that, even.

- The less developed rival treatment would have sucked balls. This was the one that was advocated by that goddamn deadbeat dad James Cameron, and Weatherly and Alba (who were trying to get themselves made into producers). Basically, it would have involved curing the virus and getting Max and Logan together. If I remember correctly, it also involved Alec leading a mutiny against Max. Both treatments included more about White's breeding cult and the Coming.

Are many of the other state's choices a hat tip to chain burgers?

I'm not sure how widely it's spread over Maryland and Virginia, but a lot of people in Metro DC swear by Five Guys burgers.

Winsteads in Kansas is a chain, I don't know how widespread though.

I submit that the burgers at The Corner are better.

Hells yeah. That's the thing, there's any number of better burgers in the city, let alone the state. I've never had the bleu cheese burger at Father's Office but it's oft mentioned.

It's not beef, but the vegan burger at Real Food Daily is delicious and decadent.

I was also kind of eye-rolly to see that California gets In-N-Out. That's stupid.

Been a long time since I lived in California. Does Fudruckers still exist? Because even if you want a statewide chain, that had a lot better hamburger than Inn N' Out. Onion rings were only fair, though.

We have Five Guys burgers down here. They are really quite good.

Timelies all!

Ryan is indeed a cutie, bt.

ETA: Five Guys is around here, too. In fact I had a Little Burger and fries for dinner Saturday. Greasy but yummy.

We used to have Fudrucker's in PA. I like Red Robin burgers, for chains, and I used to love the burgers at Silver Spurs in NYC, on Broadway and ... Eighth, maybe?

In SF, there is (was?) a really good burger place on 24th in Noe Valley. I don't remember the name, though....