Buffista Lawyers, there is a famous hypothetical case (or maybe real) where I remember the reasoning but not the outcome. Bastard punches someone, intending just to administer a beating. Turns out victim has a glass jaw and dies. Judge says "you take your victim" as you find him and convicts Bastard of more than just beating. What I don't remember is if that conviction was just a higher degree of manslaughter or, murder 2, or if it was Murder 1? Anyone know offhand what it would be in most states?

That happened to my friend Chris, in Hawaii a year or so ago. Sadly he was the one punched once, and yes, he died from it. His puncher was convicted of manslaughter. He got 20 years.

Oh my god, Calli, that's horrifying and sad.

I am still not over this plane crash. The pictures! Some people not even WET!

I am still not over this plane crash. The pictures! Some people not even WET!

I know. I suspect some of them went out of their way NOT to join the Polar Bear Club.

They were able to tow the plane away! That's some fancy landing there. Give that pilot a bonus, a raise and a vacation.

ION, this bit from the Onion made me laugh and laugh: [link]

I guess that's part of how you know it wasn't actually a crash -- it was an emergency landing. Really amazing. Also makes me glad the planes fly that route around Manhattan over the water!

Read the SFGate.com profile of Sullenberger, who has bachelors and masters degrees in psychology as well as a distinguished pilot career... and raises guide dogs for the blind with his wife!

Actually, most of the time, the engine will chew up and spit out the remains of the bird out of the exhaust with only a hiccup. I think once every 10K flights result in a bird strike, which doesn't sound like too much until you realize that means there is one or two bird strikes every day due to all the flights in the US.

What is unusual is whatever happened, it took out both damn engines. That is something pilots practice for but never really expect. It must have been one thick and large flock, so that both engines (on opposite wings) took in (probably) multiple birds simultaneously. Temperature might have had something to do it with, if the engine blades were still (relatively) brittle if this was the plane's first flight of the day.

I suspect whomever is in charge of bird control at LaGuardia is having a very bad day, because there is no way that large of a flock should have been anywhere near LaGuardia's landing/launch paths without lots of warnings...

it was an emergency landing

Actually, it was a ditching.

t /pilot pedant

Which they aren't required to practice in the simulators, which just makes it all the more incredible that this pilot and first mate got the plane down in one piece.