The book constantly refers to him as "the Jew" and "the old Jew." Like, when any other character would be "the man stood up" or "the boy stood up," Fagin gets "the Jew stood up." There is no way it's possible to read that book and not realize that Fagin is Jewish.
Buffy: Where are the burgers? Riley: Yeah man, I'm starving. Cow me. Xander: I'd love to make with the moo but the fire's not cooperating.
'Lessons'
Natter 63: Life after PuppyCam
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Hil R. - Mar 31, 2009 2:25:51 pm PDT #13261 of 30000
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l
§ ita § - Mar 31, 2009 2:30:17 pm PDT #13262 of 30000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
I just checked Wikipedia:
The first 38 chapters of the book refer to Fagin by his racial and religious origin 257 times, calling him "the Jew", with just 42 uses of "Fagin" or "the old man".
Now, I figured from watching the version they complained about that suddenly creating his Jewishness out of whole cloth would have been even more work than I imagined, but that stat is pretty pointed.
The entry goes on to mention that Dickens later went on to clean up the antisemitism, but it sounds like later chapters, not later versions, as you'd expect from a serial.
beth b - Mar 31, 2009 2:43:52 pm PDT #13263 of 30000
oh joy! Oh Rapture ! I have a brain!
go mac, go!
P.M. Marc - Mar 31, 2009 2:44:55 pm PDT #13264 of 30000
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear
Dickens and Fagin were mentioned in reference to RF2009. (Apparently, the character of Fagin caused some Victorian RF action, with your typical number of bingo hits by CD, and then some remorseful Attempts to Do Better.)
(The moral of this story is apparently that the more things change, blah blah blah.)
(Which, when I think about it too hard, is just depressing. Are my great-great grandkids going to be stuck fighting these SAME. FREAKING. BATTLES???)
meara - Mar 31, 2009 2:49:43 pm PDT #13265 of 30000
Which, when I think about it too hard, is just depressing. Are my great-great grandkids going to be stuck fighting these SAME. FREAKING. BATTLES???
Yes. But it'll probably be about something new and different. Like, people who have internet implanted in their heads vs. people who don't for religious reasons. Or whatever.
P.M. Marc - Mar 31, 2009 2:52:20 pm PDT #13266 of 30000
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear
Yes. But it'll probably be about something new and different. Like, people who have internet implanted in their heads vs. people who don't for religious reasons. Or whatever.
The freaky non-implant people have it coming.
Dana - Mar 31, 2009 3:01:58 pm PDT #13267 of 30000
I haven't trusted science since I saw the film "Flubber."
Oh, my god, Charter is Satan. SATAN, I tell you.
§ ita § - Mar 31, 2009 3:09:30 pm PDT #13268 of 30000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
some remorseful Attempts to Do Better
Which puts him ahead of some other RF authors, at least up until where I stopped reading.
Though, honestly? Sometimes I feel what's been culturally appropriated from me most is my outrage.
Sue - Mar 31, 2009 3:18:58 pm PDT #13269 of 30000
hip deep in pie
Hey ita, have you seen the NY Times article about goat meat? [link]
It's pretty funny.
Their unappetizing visage is simultaneously dopey and satanic, like a Disney character with a terrible secret.
Later:
“Is it gay meat?” Confused, I said, “There’s nothing gay about it at all.” She explained, “No, I said is it gamey?”
sarameg - Mar 31, 2009 3:20:25 pm PDT #13270 of 30000
Go mac!