Supernatural 2: Why is it our job to save everybody?
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Did you read A Hole In The World by Atelier?
Yes!
Only just yesterday or the day before I realized that this was a wish of mine, and then later I was half-way through this fic and almost came to comment on it because it made me remember my wish, and only then did I notice the title, and realized the rememberance was because my wish had already been granted.
Not as good or as achey as the whole Illyria/Wesley story, but still pretty damned good.
Jilli, the name is supposed to be Changeling, or possibly Betwixt. Other than that, I haven't heard anything.
This is all a plot to make sure we never leave the house again, isn't it?
Finally saw the episode! So much goodness! The Bobby/Cas show! the Dean/Crowley show! Sammy in the warehouse! Cas in the hospital! Death schooling Dean on undoing Lucifer and pizza!
I'm trying to remember the deal on what happens if Dean or Sam agrees to become a vessel. Do they only give up property rights to their bodies, or are they also giving up their souls? I ask because if they're also signing off on their souls, then what Sam's proposing isn't only risky it seems catastrophically suicidal for him. We know he wasn't strong enough to hold off Meg when she possessed him, although he has gained strength through what he learned from Ruby since then. He was able to withstand whatever Lilith did at the end of "No Rest For the Wicked." But still, Lucifer.... Considering that Azazel was grooming Sam to lead the armies of hell, and demons were already lining up in battle for and against him, it might not be a very hospitable place for him. And knowing that despite everything that has happened God has forgiven him and granted him access to heaven, Sam might want to rethink sending his soul willingly into hell. Risking his corporeal body is one thing (relatively speaking, because I know there's a season 6 on the way) as long as he knows his soul will remain inviolate. But handing over his soul to Lucifer as well, that I would have to think twice about. Or three times. At the very least.
I am hoping that whatever last-minute plan they go with turns out to be a combined effort. There has been too much separation between them and this Apocalypse has caused so much damage to them that they need to solve it together. And I am really hoping that whatever last-ditch, seat-of-the pants miracle they come up with to pull it off proves that they are acting of their own volition and aren't just following in the footsteps of some millenia-old psychodrama that they were predestined to re-enact.
Wrod.
I have a memory of something about the boys getting vaporized or burned out and made husks if they say yes. But then Michael occupied John, and left him unscathed. So eiother I'm remembering wrong, it was a lie, or it's only the "true" vessels that take the full damage, for whatever reason. Which, I would think it would be the opposite, the non-true vessels are the ones that are damaged, and the true ones have the abilitiy to survive.
But maybe it's moot, because maybe it's not even canon that the vessels get destroyed (which is where I'd like it to be, and not just because I don't want anything bad to happen to the boys, or want some ass-pully save, but because it doesn't make sense to me logically).
Do they only give up property rights to their bodies, or are they also giving up their souls?
I've been confused by this as well. As Juliebird pointed out, at one point it was implied that Michael and/or Lucifer would destroy the person and leave them a drooling mess, I think when we met Raphael. And yeah, John was possessed by Michael with apparently no repercussions other than an erased memory, soul seemingly intact.
I think John!Michael went so far as to imply the Winchesters were special and the only ones who could handle their angel essence.
ETA: ita the Eat it Twilight link needs tweaking to work.
Michael said he'd leave Dean okay. I don't think Lucifer's made a promise. Also, why would he vacate Sam's body after Sam jumped him into his box? I'd totally stay, so Sam would have to stay, even if there were a way out. And then, does it matter if Sam would go to hell or heaven?
ehab--link fixed.
I'd totally stay, so Sam would have to stay, even if there were a way out. And then, does it matter if Sam would go to hell or heaven?
What I was thinking was that if Sam's soul wasn't in his body his consciousness wouldn't be either. That his body would be just an empty shell being used by Lucifer (the "meat-puppet" effect). So theoretically his soul and personality and consciousness could be safe and whole and happy in heaven. It really wouldn't matter what would happen to the body. (Which, practically speaking, would have been left to be buried in the ground/burned in a funeral pyre at death/destroyed in some manner at death anyway.)
But possibly I'm confusing soul and consciousness and the two don't equate.
