And maybe Lucifer gets extra power from all the demons that believe in him (I assume there are more now that he is roaming around than there used to be).

Even if we assume a level playing field to start rather than the angels preceding humanity as they believe and not being dependent on humans for power, more than three billion active worshippers of religions in which Lucifer is the principal adversary figure (and constantly credited/blamed for every stubbed toe by some groups) would seem to give him a huge advantage over any polytheistic deity.

So Dean used the movie line because he's pop culture-y like that, but he also read Babar to Sam way back when.

Now, see, I'm liking that a lot, too! :-)

I like the elephant explanation. Besides, Dean was in the loony bin, think he's going to be telling the truth if he can help it? Better to deflect with pop culture humor than let anyone in that close.

Even if we assume a level playing field to start rather than the angels preceding humanity as they believe and not being dependent on humans for power, more than three billion active worshippers of religions in which Lucifer is the principal adversary figure (and constantly credited/blamed for every stubbed toe by some groups) would seem to give him a huge advantage over any polytheistic deity.

Big but not that big. I think Christianity around twice as many worshippers as Hinduism. And it is not like Christians don't divide their worship among many different saints and angels, and Mary. And even though technically Jesus and God are the same, they are often treated as separate so in terms AG powering up that is a division. And Lucifer is still secondary to both God and Jesus in attention paid. So, while I can see Kali as less powerful, I can't see her as tons and tons less powerful. Another point, with all these evil miracles and stuff, Lucifer has been spending a lot power. You would expect that to make a difference.

It's Eric Kripke's birthday today. Just...a note in passing.

I think Christianity around twice as many worshippers as Hinduism

The last numbers I was cited were 2.1 billion Christians to 900 million Hindu. When you factor in that the Muslims are worshipping the same god, that's a lot of power there. Together they make up over 50% of humanity. Hinduism is 14%.

I don't see any point in dividing up one angel from another, since it's not really a pantheon.

However, Kali has separate devotees from Ganesh, even amongst the 900 million Hindi. So there's that.

I'm not that miffed by the Judeo-Christian icons having more power. I just think the non-JCs were painted shittily.

Non-JDM fans can skip it. He doesn't mention SPN, talks about his new movies. But Bandit insists on making his presence felt, and it's a cute video.

Seriously? Not your interview.

Well, that was just a fine and lovely thing, Bev. Thank you. Also, Bandit! What a cutiehead.

My brain's going back and forth between Dean reading Babar stories to wee!Sam and JDM on a Harley, and it's all a little confusing.

Kali doesn't occupy a central role in her pantheon, does she? My understanding of Hinduism is that Brahma, Vishnu, and Shiva are regarded as the supreme deities of that religion.

I do wish Lucifer had shown at least as much effect from her efforts as from the Colt, even if there was no possibility of her actually destroying him.

The weird thing is what a strange group of deities they chose (aside from the whole having them kill human sacrifices, which was ludicrous).

Mercury isn't really one of the powerful gods in Roman mythology -- he's the messenger, and kind of a flunkie, which worked for the plot, but an odd choice. Where was Apollo?

But then no one worships those gods anymore, or if they do, they're part of a teeny tiny group of folks somewhere. And then if you're including those, why not a Celtic deity? And as someone (ita?) pointed out, Baron Samedi isn't even a deity, he's a loa.

The episode didn't offend me the way it did most people, I think because on first watch I loved the idea of a sort of theological UN discussing the Judeo-Christians' pesky apocalypse. Even now, I don't know if they were going for metaphor -- maybe like the Christian god, the others don't really care about their followers so much as consider them inferior beings suitable for whatever use is necessary.

I still enjoyed the episode for the Gabriel/Lucifer showdown, and for Sam and Dean being such a team again!, and for a lot of the pop culture references and humor, and because it surprised me in that completely unexpected twist way. And I feel like it could have been so much better if they had thought it through more carefully and actually taken the characters and the setup to a more developed conclusion, but based on the previews for next week, I think we're done with extra-deity intervention.

I'm still really sad about Gabriel, too. ::sniffle::