'Time Bomb'
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Dean's attitude towards them was typical of how he treats MotW
Dean doing that didn't bother me as he has been shown as a man of no religious faith and they eat people. He's killed Gods before.
I agree with you about the show treating them as MotW and that was an unfortunate story choice.
I'm ready for this apocalypse to conclude. I'd like a religion-free S6.
Zao Shen is listed as a character in the credits on IMdB.
It would have been interesting if their power were commensurate with people's belief in them. But if that were so, there were some serious inaccuracies in strength portrayed. Wasn't that canon in the Xmas episode with those pagan Gods?
Well, Kali did trade multiple shots with Lucifer before being knocked down (and surviving), whereas he splattered the gods from inactive pantheons like they were soap bubbles. Though Ganesh is the outlier, as he also has worshippers numbering in the hundreds of millions. Since I've never heard of him being bloodthirsty or accepting human sacrifice, I wish they'd just left him off the roll call and had Dean pass Tezcatlipoca's room while seeing a jaguar out of the corner of his eyes instead.
Could the Chinese guy have been Pangu?
Pangu (Traditional: 盤古; Simplified: 盘古; pinyin: Pángǔ; Wade-Giles: P'an ku) was the first living being and the creator of all in Chinese mythology.
There seems to be a female Chinese deity, associated with the turtle story.
ETA: nevermind, Amy has the answer.
Dean doing that didn't bother me as he has been shown as a man of no religious faith and they eat people. He's killed Gods before.
It didn't bother me in terms of Dean--it totally fit his character. It just strikes me as unfortunate that the writers went that route. Having the boys dragged to a Gods' council without making the Gods monsters would have been better, IMO, and Dean would still have bitched at them, because he's Dean.
The writers have it wrong anyway, I think. Zao Shen's page doesn't mention the world turtle, but Wiki says this:
The turtle has a prominent position as a symbol of steadfastness and tranquility in religion, mythology, and folklore from around the world.[6] A tortoise’s longevity is suggested by its long lifespan and its shell, which was thought to protect it from any foe.[2] In the creation myths of several cultures, the turtle or tortoise carries the world upon its back or supports the heavens.[5]
In Chinese tradition the creator goddess Nu Gua cuts the legs off a sea turtle and uses them to prop up the sky after Gong Gong destroys the mountain that had supported the sky. The flat undershell and round domed upper shell of a turtle resembles the ancient Chinese idea of a flat earth and round domed sky.[7]
The World Turtle carries the Earth upon its back in myths from North America. In Cheyenne tradition, the great creator spirit Maheo kneads some mud he takes from a coot's beak until it expands so much that only Old Grandmother Turtle can support it on her back. In Mohawk tradition, the trembling or shaking of the Earth is thought of as a sign that the World Turtle is stretching beneath the great weight that she carries.[5]
I generally felt multicultural ick for this episode's treatment of other faiths/gods. That said, I wish some of the deities represented would have taken God's approach (from what we understand) and said they did not want to be involved, or acknowledged that there were other crises on the other side of the globe that may have needed their immediate attention.
It does make me wonder what advice Buddha might give the Winchester brothers? Or if not Buddha, a well connected Buddhist monk? Perhaps the bigger question: Does any of this belong in a narrative that is so thoroughly rooted in Christian themes?
A little OT from discssion of last night's ep, but I caught Devil's Trap this morning. The last scene really lacked its customary punch without Bad Moon Rising wailing in the background.
I wish some of the deities represented would have taken God's approach (from what we understand) and said they did not want to be involved
Yeah, it was a bit neat and tidy to assume pre-selection.
I wonder if we'll hear anything again about the fact that the guys are still theoretically blood tied to Kali? That would be cool.
I like the idea that there were a lot of invitations sent and only a handful RSVP'd but I agree with the general fail-ness of the episode especially when it comes to Ganesha and Baldur. I should be used to the show ignoring mythology in favor of telling the story they want to tell so I'm not sure why this one got under my skin so much.