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Supernatural 2: Why is it our job to save everybody?  

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Amy - Apr 13, 2010 2:09:34 pm PDT #7237 of 30002
Because books.

If the romantic pairing is the point of the story, then it's not gen. If Whoever and Whoever are solving a case and just happen to already be a couple, and the case is the focus, I think it's gen, but I don't know if fandom agrees.


§ ita § - Apr 13, 2010 2:16:00 pm PDT #7238 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

The semantics leaves some holes, doesn't it? Slash is either gay or non-canonical gay with sexual content, and het is straight sexual content, and gen is not focussed on sexual content, right?

Most days that's what I believe, with slash being non-canonical gay (so Jack/Ianto isn't slash--but then it's not het, so I don't know how it's filed).


Amy - Apr 13, 2010 2:26:58 pm PDT #7239 of 30002
Because books.

Yeah, I've never been real clear on it. I'm not sure fandom is either, to be honest.

Wait, non-canonical gay. So in your example Jack and Ianto are both gay (or bi) characters but are not paired in the show?

There should be a decongestant that doesn't make me stupid.


§ ita § - Apr 13, 2010 2:30:37 pm PDT #7240 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

So in your example Jack and Ianto are both gay (or bi) characters but are not paired in the show?

They're a canonical same-sex relationship. Well, were, before the bad times happened. Why do I like shows that punish me?

Then there'd be something like Gwen/Tosh, both of whom have been seen to get it on with women, but have been mostly shown to be straight--the show's really confusing and everyone has sex with everyone. I'd be curious to know what the percentage of PG gen Torchwood fic is. The show's always got someone macking on someone.


Cass - Apr 13, 2010 2:42:09 pm PDT #7241 of 30002
Bob's learned to live with tragedy, but he knows that this tragedy is one that won't ever leave him or get better.

Well, were, before the bad times happened.

*sniff*

Fic labels tend to be, at best, vague. IME.


Amy - Apr 13, 2010 2:46:07 pm PDT #7242 of 30002
Because books.

They're a canonical same-sex relationship.

See, that's where the "non-canonical" confused me. I knew they had been involved -- osmosis, I guess, since I don't watch. Clearly, I should, though.


Beverly - Apr 13, 2010 2:52:42 pm PDT #7243 of 30002
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.

Someone explain "bob" to me, please.


Amy - Apr 13, 2010 2:53:50 pm PDT #7244 of 30002
Because books.

Bob? In what context?


§ ita § - Apr 13, 2010 3:00:51 pm PDT #7245 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Oh, what I meant is how does one label a Demian/Barnes fic, for instance? It's not slash by my eye, but it's hardly het. Just gay.


Amy - Apr 13, 2010 3:02:46 pm PDT #7246 of 30002
Because books.

I'm so confused. Who are they? And they're both gay canonically?

I should just go take more meds and go to sleep, probably.