Point. While I'm all caught up with the idea of Dean saying yes and Sam staying strong, then the angels don't get what they want, do they? But if Sam says yes and it plays into their plan, they need to let him back into heaven. Uh, if it's their call.

Gah. I wish I could rewatch more of S5 to prepare for the end of it. There are nitpicks I could be making, and just can't remember the details of.

Ash wouldn't be in any people's heavens that he had never met but was able to "trespass" briefly.

Then how would he know how good Einstein's White Russians were?

I was saying Einstein wasn't a memory. It wasn't a presumption to say that Ash would be in the real Einstein's heaven because Ash could go in and out of other people's heavens as he did with Sam and Dean. When he crashed Einstein's heaven or when Ash invited Einstein to "his Blue Heaven" must have been when he had a white russian.

Sam was in that stubborn "you were his favorite golden child" frame of mind.

I would think this had to be strong in Sam with no bad reflection on Sam's character. I thought I saw it when Dean was in Dean's memory with Mary and she couldn't see Sam. Sam was ready to go immediately and rushing Dean. There was a definite jealousy thing going on and why wouldn't there be? He said it later. He never had the crusts cut off of his PB&J. There absolutely HAD to be a great amount of anger toward Dean for this reason alone.

When he crashed Einstein's heaven or when Ash invited Einstein to "his Blue Heaven" must have been when he had a white russian.

I see. What I meant was that he was crashing Einstein's heaven though, and that's not fair to Einstein's afterlife.

Sam was ready to go immediately and rushing Dean

In fairness, Sam ditched his fairytale turkey-day the minute Dean showed up, and was decently fast out the door leaving Bones behind. But I don't think he'd yet worked out how much more broken Dean was than he was.

I don't know about Einstein but I'd be relieved to have Ash come crashing through my memorex heaven.

In actuality, because we already love Ash, but the theory that anyone with a big brain and a knowledge of the occult who didn't earn hell can come by and visit my Elysian Fields? Can you get a post mortem restraining order?

Well, there does seem to be a lot of bureaucracy in heaven.

The Ghostfacers webseries looks pretty funny so far. They screened a couple episodes today at WonderCon. There is an entire shot of pictures of Sam and Dean with the caption "DOUCHENOZZLES."

Bwah!

There was a definite jealousy thing going on and why wouldn't there be? He said it later. He never had the crusts cut off of his PB&J.

This specific memory of Dean's was new information to Sam, as affirmed by Sam's observation that Dean had been cleaning up Dad's messes prior to Mary's death and Dean's comment that their marriage was perfect only after Mary died. Up until now, canon seems to suggest that Dean could never talk to Sam about Mary without getting upset. So I don't know that Sam's had an opportunity to build up resentments of the specifics of what Dean had with their mom so much as he was trying placate Dean's pissiness over what he observed to be Sam's "happy" memories.

No doubt Sam has had an overarching longing for the "normal" life he thought Dean had for four+ years, so it's not a wonder to me that Sam's memories would be those times when Sam made or sought out his own "normal". However, Sam has some new information on Dean and John that he never had before.

Interestingly, to me, this exercise in heaven was more about seeing who would overcome and push through and who would break. Initially, Dean seemed to be the object of emotional abuse (exposure to what he'd had and lost in innocent wee!Sam and presumably his own moments of youthful innocence; his loving memories of Mary tainted by the memory of his father having left them temporarily; Sam's "happy" memories that did not involve Dean; and of course, Zachariah's psychic torture using Mary). And yet, it appears to me God had made a clean slate of the earthly trespasses of both boys. Now it's up to them to either push forward and save the world or not.

In the aftermath, Dean and Castiel appear lost, while for the last two episodes, Sam seems to be asking what's left of his family to not give up. In DMDWP, he says to Bobby, who just stares at him, "But you're going to be all right. Right, Bobby?". In this last episode, he entreats Cas to "Wait!" before a despairing Cas disappears. He tells a despondent Dean they'll find a way to stop all this. "You and me, we'll find it." And Dean walks away tossing Sam's gift to him into the trash.

Maybe it is Sam's responsibility now.

I'm with Marcia and Anne [...]

Bev, I think that was Theresa and Anne. The only thing I offered was my ability to be pwned by the April Fool's Day exclusives. ::is still embarrassed::