I think the love they have for each other is really strong and *good* in its own fucked up way, not just, "We're all we have left."

I think they're tight in a spiral where they can only be what each of them has left. Even with Cas and Bobby (is he still there?) on their side, they're locked into a tight dyad that puts up strong walls against other people.

So while the core bond between them I think is good, the idea that Sam wouldn't let Bobby in at all (although Ruby might take some of the blame, I still think it's his Dean monomania that drove the whole thing) to help him with his pain is a big deal. After all, Sam is the one that can live without his brother--but he can't live with himself or another human without his brother.

After all, Sam is the one that can live without his brother--but he can't live with himself or another human without his brother.

Great observation! I didn't think about that when wondering which one of them could survive the other. Sam can do it but --it's a scary Sam.

Future Dean can do it too, and is equally scary.

I don't think I want this show to resolve itself happily, unless the definition of happy is still extremely broken and dysfunctional.

Future Dean can do it too, and is equally scary.

I'm torn on judging Future!Dean. I still think that when he approached the Sam!Meatsuit, there was a little something inside him that hoped his brother wasn't all gone. I don't have a confidence that Dean won't tear out of this world on his brother's actual death.

But the times where he's had to just be separate from his brother are not pretty, without Castiel around to alleviate things. But if the writers ever wanted to convince me that Castiel could convince Dean to live after Sam died, they better give me slash onscreen.

the definition of happy is still extremely broken and dysfunctional.

Are the brothers the broken ones, or are we?

Future Dean can do it too, and is equally scary.

Do we know how long he survived? And Future Dean may have had some hope of getting Sam back once Lucifer was defeated.

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But if the writers ever wanted to convince me that Castiel could convince Dean to live after Sam died, they better give me slash onscreen.

I wanted to COMM this. Hee!

It did strike me yesterday that John Winchester, and thus the boys, might have been one of the most hardcore of the hunters. Every other hunter we've seen has at least some kind of home base.

Not all. Gordon and his Jesus buddy didn't. Jesus buddy had an RV.

I don't think Jo did, once she took off from the roadhouse, and it didn't look like Ellen had one after the Roadhouse burned.

I'd argue that the RV is more of a home base than the Winchesters had. At least he got to hang his art.

Gordon, OTOH, free-wheeling it as far as we could tell. What a role model.

I still am a little pissed at Gordon for trying to kill Sam. It's something I try to overcome but it is there.

Looks like everyone is in LA this weekend for the SPN LA Con. That's what my spam email tells me. When I had tickets to Vancouver I don't think I was sent this detailed of an itinerary. Tickets must not have sold as well as they say they are available at the door.

I think Jesus guy's RV doesn't count -- that's just hauling home around with you. Gordon is a possibility, since it's never explicit.

I think after having a home for so long, Ellen would find a place after the Roadhouse burned, even if we weren't shown it. Jo is another possibility as a free-wheeler, though.

Still seems like it's more the exception than the rule, though. And with two small kids, very much an anomaly. Having kids at all is, too, though. Especially kids who are also raised as hunters.