I like the desperate sadness and the informal collusion this way, actually. It makes me think of how Lucifer gains hold, not through overt misdirection or magickery, just through human wants.

This is me. I would know it was wrong, but I don't know if I could not try and protect a loved one that came back. Even after seeing them try with Joyce. Even after Pet Cemetary. A random zombie is going to be much different than one you gave your heart. The sheriff would have been desperately holding on to having a child back from what would have been unimaginable grief.

I guess once I saw Zachariah, I assumed it was just another trick,

This is what I was thinking as well. There has to be a twist, otherwise Sam and Dean won't leave and the Earth wont be saved. Again.

So I just got another person hooked on SPN.

Woot! Start filling out the toaster form.

I think Dean is looking at The End as something that will happen, but I'm not sure that he's right about that.

And I agree about the town's collusion in the zombie rising. When your loved ones are coming back to you, and not necessarily bloodthirsty from the word go, I think the human pull to hold on is so strong, Lucifer or Death wouldn't need spells. That's the beauty of Lucifer's take on human desire and need, and the reason he got Nick, at least, to agree to be his vessel.

Yep. Evil is most compelling when it is telling you the truth and it is what you want to hear rather than what you intellectually know is right.

There has to be a twist, otherwise Sam and Dean won't leave

Do you think Dean wouldn't leave? I could see Sam wanting to stay, because his presence on earth is part of the problem, and also the family he never ever knew, but from Dean's point of view his mission to save the world seems pretty strong.

At which point, could Sam really stay?

Huh. I'm very attached to them being really dead, really in heaven, and really resurrected. But I'm so desperately in love with that second teaser, it's hard for me to see straight.

Oh hell, I just saw the second clip. That was awesome. I don't know if I can wait a week for pissed off Dean.

Do you think Dean wouldn't leave?

I don't know. If something happened to Sam, I think that Dean wouldn't be far behind him by purposefully letting his guard down. I don't think Dean can survive without Sam. Therefore I don't know that Dean would leave Sam in Heaven. Maybe.

So far I'm in love with JA's Texas drawly, "I'ma be pissed."

::happy shiver::

Mrmph.

Oh hell, who am I kidding? Nom, nom, nom.

The only thing better than pissed Dean is hurty Dean. And damn but I do enjoy me some pissed Dean.

I don't think Dean can survive without Sam. Therefore I don't know that Dean would leave Sam in Heaven.

Point on Dean not being able to survive on Earth without Sam. I guess I just have him taking Sam back with him, despite Sam having reasons to stay.

I don't know if I can wait a week for pissed off Dean.

Every week is a hell-atus.

eta:

The only thing better than pissed Dean is hurty Dean. And damn but I do enjoy me some pissed Dean.

And in that scene you get a bit of both. Ah, I love vengeance!Ackles.

Okay I watched second clip again and I think there is some Texas in JP's "okay" too.

Get those boys some hats and horses STAT!!

There's a lot of Dean in his mannerisms and his speech.

And John. Funny, for a born-and-bred Seattleite, JDM sure can get his cowboy on.

She was the one they missed; she was the Sam never even got to know.

May be my overactive imagination, but it seemed to me (promo spoilers)

that she didn't even acknowledge Sam. The clothes hanging on the rack by the door were *so little*! Plus Dean's "wuv a hug" shirt indicate he may be younger than four, before Sam was born.

I think Dean is looking at The End as what would have happened if he had stayed estranged from Sam. I think he's desperately trying to believe it's preventable, that choice can affect destiny. I have to say, in terms of my life I agree with that viewpoint, but I don't know what Kripke's opinions are on the subject.

Get those boys some hats and horses STAT!!

(gulps. nods.) Uh huh.

It's funny. I think JA's been out of Texas long enough and worked at it hard enough that it wasn't really his default any more. I think he could pull it out when he needed it, but unlike JP, it didn't seep in when he was tired. But tied so close to JP for so long, I think his cultivated RP has eroded by osmosis, and I think he's defaulting to Texas more and more when he's unguarded.

I do know I played that second clip quite a few times. I don't think I've ever seen an expression like that on anybody's face in real life or in a movie, certainly not one that gutpunched like that one.* And I think the taunting and the goading was inevitable. You canNOT leave me living when he's gone--you send me after, RIGHT THE FUCK NOW. I'll figure out what to do about you later, once Sam and I are together.

*It's a way of desensitizing, so I can actually watch that scene in situ and not flood tears too badly to see.