I think it's an incredibly bad embodiment, since she was the bad guy. We have enough good guy women (ugh, problematic, but you know what I mean) that surely she could have gone all Ripley on his ass or something, you know?

Also...I'm sure Glenn would like to move past that. She doesn't even list it as a favourite role.

I always thought the Glenn Close role in Fatal Attraction was a specific type of "embodiment of woman-on-man violence," since in addition to being slasher-movie levels of violent she was also completely obsessively nuts ("I will not be ignored.") It was a badly written movie in oh so many ways, but that character went crazy because she was a single successful career woman of a certain age who was bold enough to have an affair with a man she wanted even though he was married. He of course stayed with his wife and kid, and she of course got pregnant. And at that point she went totally over the top (those wacky pregnancy hormones I guess) and started stalking and boiling bunnies and such. So her rage and violence were all triggered by insults to the stereotypically feminine parts of her, not by immediate danger or circumstance.

I think it's an incredibly bad embodiment, since she was the bad guy. We have enough good guy women (ugh, problematic, but you know what I mean) that surely she could have gone all Ripley on his ass or something, you know?

And saying Ripley would be better just because it's the character name. Does anyone even remember Glenn Close's character name in Fatal Attraction?

Does anyone even remember Glenn Close's character name in Fatal Attraction?

Alex ... something.

Man, why were there so many movies where women went creepy batshit in a sexual way over Michael Douglas? I think there were at least three. And at no point during the period of time where it felt like there was a new one every few weeks was Michael Douglas even remotely hot.

I know there was the infamous one with what's-her-name uncrossing her legs, and there was one with Demi Moore sexually harrassing him. In each movie his costars kept getting younger and the grossout factor kept getting worse.

No Tall Tales talk?

I don't know what to make of it in light of him being Gabriel.

Actually, it makes me wonder even more what is up with Castiel. How come he has no libido and no sense of humour? Gabe's got junk...is Cas that much of a company man?

I've been poking around a lot of fic recently (oh, the trauma, oh the crack, oh the addictiveness), and I certainly get where a lot of the Dean-centric fics get their Sam and brotherly bond characterisation from.

Which is kind of a shame, although I enjoyed their repartee. And the fake fight at the end, and the emotionally stunted apology.

I don't know what to make of it in light of him being Gabriel.

Yeah, it is weird seeing it now with that knowledge.

Retcon. Handwavium. In other words, I really don't think Kripke and the writers had the Gabriel/Trickster identity planned out from the beginning.