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Supernatural 2: Why is it our job to save everybody?  

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JenP - Jan 31, 2010 4:06:10 pm PST #4958 of 30002

And I don't usually notice these things, but shouldn't it have been the kid's voice, not Sam's, we were hearing on the voice mails Dean was playing in the motel room? Minor nitpick, all things considered, and I'm sure someone can explain it away. I liked the ep.


Polter-Cow - Jan 31, 2010 4:11:57 pm PST #4959 of 30002
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

Jen, that bugged me too, and I don't think you can explain it away. Even though we heard Sam's voice because it was Sam speaking, the voicemail should be unaffected by narrative perspective.


§ ita § - Jan 31, 2010 4:19:30 pm PST #4960 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I chalk it up to shortcut. I think it's okay we heard it in Sam's voice the first time, but when Dean played them back it was lazy to not have them in Gary's voice. I think they went the route of just sticking to us having seen JP as Gary, so we heard JP as Gary too. Doesn't fit the story.


JenP - Jan 31, 2010 4:51:17 pm PST #4961 of 30002

OK, good. It seemed such a simple thing to do, and yet.


Typo Boy - Jan 31, 2010 7:19:52 pm PST #4962 of 30002
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

Well part of the reason Sam hated the family was that the father was controlling maybe to the point of being abusive. The whole "plan" thing. I mean borderline, maybe not abusive, but if not getting there. I really got an "evil Dad from dead poets society" vibe. Heck, I even think the speech pattern was similar.


§ ita § - Jan 31, 2010 7:26:16 pm PST #4963 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I don't think the father was anywhere near abusive. Controlling, sure, but not near a borderline. I could accept that the guy triggered Sam's own father issues, but he was a pussycat compared to John. Being righteously pissed your scholarship-seeking 17 year old was out drinking on a weeknight no less doesn't seem extreme to me.


Typo Boy - Jan 31, 2010 7:47:36 pm PST #4964 of 30002
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

It wasn't being pissed. No not John. But I bet it echoed. And part if it may have just been the speech patterns. Maybe it was the just the pattern of a continued unrelenting cloud of anger. In my family if I did something wrong there would be shouting, and some clear definite punishment finished if possible, or assigned. And then it was over, with any continuing punishment carried out without malice, in a "you did wrong, and the consequences will take a while to work through" fashion. The unrelenting cloud of disapproval looks to me like something very hard to live with.


§ ita § - Jan 31, 2010 7:53:36 pm PST #4965 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I didn't see him there long enough to be labouring under an unrelenting cloud. We saw two, maybe three conversations with his parents, one mad because he came home "drunk" and disoriented, one at breakfast where he was still acting weird and not taking them seriously or treating them respectfully.

Let's just say my father and mother wouldn't have let up on me in that 12 hour span, and they totally don't count as an unrelenting cloud of disapproval or borderline abuse.


Cass - Jan 31, 2010 8:01:56 pm PST #4966 of 30002
Bob's learned to live with tragedy, but he knows that this tragedy is one that won't ever leave him or get better.

The first conversation with the parents, I could hand wave.

one at breakfast where he was still acting weird and not taking them seriously or treating them respectfully.

This? Dude, Sam, you realize you are in the wrong body. Man up and fake it through breakfast. I can see him being pissed that he can't get a hold of Dean and at Gary for the whole body swap, but how does acting like this help him fix things? I kinda expect more from Sam.


§ ita § - Jan 31, 2010 8:08:53 pm PST #4967 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

He definitely knows better than that. He could have played the part and gotten the information he wanted less confrontationally. He's faked it before. Give the dad a little rope, take a little info.

Or just go straight to the sister and ask her those questions and skip out on breakfast entirely and move on with your big plan. Assuming you knew Gary had a sister before breakfast.